[OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

[Marc Gemis]

Would it be a solution to use loc_ref or nat_ref (see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref) for A.001.123 ? and ref and/or
int_ref for E25 ?

m

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:16 PM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  On 2014-09-25 12:00, Ben Laenen wrote :
>
> On Thursday 25 September 2014 07:05:29 Marc Gemis wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:08 AM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com> <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>  I added destination:ref=E25 on a link and Osmand kept silent while going
> onto it.
> I added ref=E25 on the next link and Osmand said "turn right onto E25".
>
> So, I recommend the latter.
>
>  If we agree on this, it is pretty easy to write an Overpass Query to locate
> all those motorway links and add the refs systematically.
> Just let me know if there are any objections to André's proposal, otherwise
> I'll start adding them.
>
>  Yeah, I object. Again, it's not the ref of the link, which is usually in the
> form of A.001.123, which we don't map currently.
>
>  You seem to be really the only person to use that kind of id for ref.
> As I wrote, among those who care to use ref on links, United Kingdom
> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?q=PCEtLQpUaGlzIGhhxIhiZWVuIGfEj2VyYXRlZCBieSB0aGUgb3bElHDEi3MtdHVyYm8gd2l6YXJkLsSExJ_EoXJpZ2luYWwgc2XEsmNoxK7EizoKw6LCgMKcxIZnaHdheT1tb3RvcsWQeV9sxLxrxYrCnQrEgj4KPG9zbS1zY8S5cHTEoXV0cMWwPSJqc29uIsSdaW1lb8WzIjI1IsWjICDEgMSCxJHElsSfciByZXN1bHTEiMWiCsaGxoY8cXXElMScdHlwZcW0xZnGhMaXxpjGmcSKxKdrdiBrxbTFjcWPxZHFunbFtMWUxZbFmMWRxZvFnSIvxoXGp8aHxqktxqvGrcW0xo9mxbrGj2fGtCIuKsa8xr7GpzxixKx4Lcabxp0ge3vHk294fX3Gvcamxpkvx5dyeca-xogtIHDEuW7FrsaPxpHGk8aVLceox6zEvMWuxZRkxqIixKxkecePxqY8xo9jxKrFgcSdxqDHu2Rvd8W5x6HGmce2x64gx7nHu3NrZWxlxZbFucS4x7pyxbTGm2FkdGnImMiAPC_FpsWoxarFrHQ-&c=BJwpeMUe0I&R>,
> Netherlands
> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?q=PCEtLQpUaGlzIGhhxIhiZWVuIGfEj2VyYXRlZCBieSB0aGUgb3bElHDEi3MtdHVyYm8gd2l6YXJkLsSExJ_EoXJpZ2luYWwgc2XEsmNoxK7EizoKw6LCgMKcxIZnaHdheT1tb3RvcsWQeV9sxLxrxYrCnQrEgj4KPG9zbS1zY8S5cHTEoXV0cMWwPSJqc29uIsSdaW1lb8WzIjI1IsWjICDEgMSCxJHElsSfciByZXN1bHTEiMWiCsaGxoY8cXXElMScdHlwZcW0xZnGhMaXxpjGmcSKxKdrdiBrxbTFjcWPxZHFunbFtMWUxZbFmMWRxZvFnSIvxoXGp8aHxqktxqvGrcW0xo9mxbrGj2fGtCIuKsa8xr7GpzxixKx4Lcabxp0ge3vHk294fX3Gvcamxpkvx5dyeca-xogtIHDEuW7FrsaPxpHGk8aVLceox6zEvMWuxZRkxqIixKxkecePxqY8xo9jxKrFgcSdxqDHu2Rvd8W5x6HGmce2x64gx7nHu3NrZWxlxZbFucS4x7pyxbTGm2FkdGnImMiAPC_FpsWoxarFrHQ-&c=BLstnXsViJ&R>,
> Germany
> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?q=PCEtLQpUaGlzIGhhxIhiZWVuIGfEj2VyYXRlZCBieSB0aGUgb3bElHDEi3MtdHVyYm8gd2l6YXJkLsSExJ_EoXJpZ2luYWwgc2XEsmNoxK7EizoKw6LCgMKcxIZnaHdheT1tb3RvcsWQeV9sxLxrxYrCnQrEgj4KPG9zbS1zY8S5cHTEoXV0cMWwPSJqc29uIsSdaW1lb8WzIjI1IsWjICDEgMSCxJHElsSfciByZXN1bHTEiMWiCsaGxoY8cXXElMScdHlwZcW0xZnGhMaXxpjGmcSKxKdrdiBrxbTFjcWPxZHFunbFtMWUxZbFmMWRxZvFnSIvxoXGp8aHxqktxqvGrcW0xo9mxbrGj2fGtCIuKsa8xr7GpzxixKx4Lcabxp0ge3vHk294fX3Gvcamxpkvx5dyeca-xogtIHDEuW7FrsaPxpHGk8aVLceox6zEvMWuxZRkxqIixKxkecePxqY8xo9jxKrFgcSdxqDHu2Rvd8W5x6HGmce2x64gx7nHu3NrZWxlxZbFucS4x7pyxbTGm2FkdGnImMiAPC_FpsWoxarFrHQ-&c=BMWJt14WeJ&R>
> ... all use the same ref as the motorway for them.  I would be interested
> to see the reaction of a driver being told to go "onto A.001.123" instead
> of "onto E25".
> Yourself wrote that they should be tagged as admin_ref=A.001.123, which is
> a number for motorway maintenance personal and certainly not the general
> public.
>
> Routers should just become smarter and understand the tags like destination:ref. File a bug report over
> there.
>
>  [Please feel free to] have the "destination sub-keys" proposition
> finalized and voted, suggest every router writer to support destination
> sub-keys and come back to us in a few years to report success.
> In the meantime, we have a solution already working very well to-day.
> When you have the proposition finalized, beware of such gotchas as:
>
> Supposing a road junction where 2 road signs with *destination:ref=Exx*
> tags lead in different directions to different entrances of the Exx
> motorway, e.g. northbound and southbound. In addition to "Exx", the GPS
> software must obviously tell to the driver the "city" written next to Exx
> to determine which of the 2 roads to take. How can it know which city is
> written next to each Exx (each road may contain
> destination=city1;city2,...;cityn of which some are not related to Exx)?
>
>
> It's OK Marc, you can do the same as in United Kingdom
> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?q=PCEtLQpUaGlzIGhhxIhiZWVuIGfEj2VyYXRlZCBieSB0aGUgb3bElHDEi3MtdHVyYm8gd2l6YXJkLsSExJ_EoXJpZ2luYWwgc2XEsmNoxK7EizoKw6LCgMKcxIZnaHdheT1tb3RvcsWQeV9sxLxrxYrCnQrEgj4KPG9zbS1zY8S5cHTEoXV0cMWwPSJqc29uIsSdaW1lb8WzIjI1IsWjICDEgMSCxJHElsSfciByZXN1bHTEiMWiCsaGxoY8cXXElMScdHlwZcW0xZnGhMaXxpjGmcSKxKdrdiBrxbTFjcWPxZHFunbFtMWUxZbFmMWRxZvFnSIvxoXGp8aHxqktxqvGrcW0xo9mxbrGj2fGtCIuKsa8xr7GpzxixKx4Lcabxp0ge3vHk294fX3Gvcamxpkvx5dyeca-xogtIHDEuW7FrsaPxpHGk8aVLceox6zEvMWuxZRkxqIixKxkecePxqY8xo9jxKrFgcSdxqDHu2Rvd8W5x6HGmce2x64gx7nHu3NrZWxlxZbFucS4x7pyxbTGm2FkdGnImMiAPC_FpsWoxarFrHQ-&c=BJwpeMUe0I&R>,
> Netherlands
> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?q=PCEtLQpUaGlzIGhhxIhiZWVuIGfEj2VyYXRlZCBieSB0aGUgb3bElHDEi3MtdHVyYm8gd2l6YXJkLsSExJ_EoXJpZ2luYWwgc2XEsmNoxK7EizoKw6LCgMKcxIZnaHdheT1tb3RvcsWQeV9sxLxrxYrCnQrEgj4KPG9zbS1zY8S5cHTEoXV0cMWwPSJqc29uIsSdaW1lb8WzIjI1IsWjICDEgMSCxJHElsSfciByZXN1bHTEiMWiCsaGxoY8cXXElMScdHlwZcW0xZnGhMaXxpjGmcSKxKdrdiBrxbTFjcWPxZHFunbFtMWUxZbFmMWRxZvFnSIvxoXGp8aHxqktxqvGrcW0xo9mxbrGj2fGtCIuKsa8xr7GpzxixKx4Lcabxp0ge3vHk294fX3Gvcamxpkvx5dyeca-xogtIHDEuW7FrsaPxpHGk8aVLceox6zEvMWuxZRkxqIixKxkecePxqY8xo9jxKrFgcSdxqDHu2Rvd8W5x6HGmce2x64gx7nHu3NrZWxlxZbFucS4x7pyxbTGm2FkdGnImMiAPC_FpsWoxarFrHQ-&c=BLstnXsViJ&R>,
> Germany
> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?q=PCEtLQpUaGlzIGhhxIhiZWVuIGfEj2VyYXRlZCBieSB0aGUgb3bElHDEi3MtdHVyYm8gd2l6YXJkLsSExJ_EoXJpZ2luYWwgc2XEsmNoxK7EizoKw6LCgMKcxIZnaHdheT1tb3RvcsWQeV9sxLxrxYrCnQrEgj4KPG9zbS1zY8S5cHTEoXV0cMWwPSJqc29uIsSdaW1lb8WzIjI1IsWjICDEgMSCxJHElsSfciByZXN1bHTEiMWiCsaGxoY8cXXElMScdHlwZcW0xZnGhMaXxpjGmcSKxKdrdiBrxbTFjcWPxZHFunbFtMWUxZbFmMWRxZvFnSIvxoXGp8aHxqktxqvGrcW0xo9mxbrGj2fGtCIuKsa8xr7GpzxixKx4Lcabxp0ge3vHk294fX3Gvcamxpkvx5dyeca-xogtIHDEuW7FrsaPxpHGk8aVLceox6zEvMWuxZRkxqIixKxkecePxqY8xo9jxKrFgcSdxqDHu2Rvd8W5x6HGmce2x64gx7nHu3NrZWxlxZbFucS4x7pyxbTGm2FkdGnImMiAPC_FpsWoxarFrHQ-&c=BMWJt14WeJ&R>
> etc ...
>
> Cheers,
>
>   André.
>
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