[OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 103, Issue 2

Fri Jul 1 14:00:28 UTC 2016

Ik vind fietsparkings belangrijk.Alhoewel het er naar mijn zin te veel zijn om zelf te mappen en ze wel ergens in een database moeten staan.
Bij een tweede passage fotografeer ik ze wel.

Ph Casteleyn 
Dahliastraat 16

2800 Mechelen
animals.slippers.loaders

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>    1. Re: What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?
>       (Gerard Vanderveken)
>    2. Re: What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ? (Marc Gemis)
>    3. Re: What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ? (Jo)
>    4. Re: What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ? (Marc Gemis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:53:36 +0200
> From: Gerard Vanderveken <Ghia at ghia.eu>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?
> Message-ID: <577667D0.4080702 at ghia.eu>
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> Hi,
> 
> Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly 
> mapped (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of 
> buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture 
> and should get more priority in mapping.
> Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object 
> counts!
> 
> When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and 
> bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as 
> it is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for 
> connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so 
> that routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct 
> paths. If not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real 
> or clear.
> It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
> 
> So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a 
> (tourist) route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle 
> route/network)
> 
> Regards,
> Gerard.
> 
> Marc Gemis wrote:
> 
> >I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> >other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
> >try out
> >I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> >have to do it with a link
> >
> >What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> >investigate further ?
> >
> >Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
> >
> >p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> >anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
> >a map when you click it
> >
> >
> >---- Nederlands ----
> >
> >Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> >foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> >(beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> >uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
> >te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
> >
> >Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
> >? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
> >
> >
> >p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
> >kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
> >staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[1] https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
> >[2] gallery: https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:31:46 +0200
> From: Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?
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> 
> I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would mention
> what they would map without looking at the map :-)
> 
> I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than 20.000 by
> hand according to Pascal Neis :-)  ), as they are imported via CRAB at
> the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
> buildings).
> That's why I turned to other stuff.
> 
> I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I don't
> separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
> rail, ditch,...)
> I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.
> 
> I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign
> 
> m.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken <Ghia at ghia.eu> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly mapped
> > (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> > Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
> > buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> > IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
> > should get more priority in mapping.
> > Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
> > counts!
> >
> > When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
> > bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as it
> > is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
> > connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so that
> > routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct paths. If
> > not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or clear.
> > It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
> >
> > So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> > (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a (tourist)
> > route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle route/network)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gerard.
> >
> > Marc Gemis wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> >> other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
> >> try out
> >> I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> >> have to do it with a link
> >>
> >> What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> >> investigate further ?
> >>
> >> Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
> >>
> >> p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> >> anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
> >> a map when you click it
> >>
> >>
> >> ---- Nederlands ----
> >>
> >> Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> >> foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> >> (beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> >> uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
> >> te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
> >>
> >> Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
> >> ? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
> >>
> >>
> >> p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
> >> kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
> >> staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
> >> [2] gallery:
> >> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Talk-be mailing list
> >> Talk-be at openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:43:26 +0200
> From: Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?
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> 
> They put that sign there, so I'd remember how to get to my aunt's house.
> She's Spanish...
> 
> What about the buttons on the traffic lights? And in how much detail to map
> those traffic lights?
> 
> Gerard, addresses are indeed important. Glenn needs beta testers for adding
> them from CRAB/AGIV. I'm rather busy with improving JOSM to map public
> transport, so I'm not getting around to it to test his work, but he's
> making great progress.
> Soon, it should become possible for everybody who uses JOSM to map those
> public transport routes and if they get broken by changes to the underlying
> infrastructure, to figure out how to fix them with as little effort as
> possible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-07-01 15:31 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
> 
> > I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would mention
> > what they would map without looking at the map :-)
> >
> > I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than 20.000 by
> > hand according to Pascal Neis :-)  ), as they are imported via CRAB at
> > the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
> > buildings).
> > That's why I turned to other stuff.
> >
> > I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I don't
> > separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
> > rail, ditch,...)
> > I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.
> >
> > I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign
> >
> > m.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken <Ghia at ghia.eu> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly
> > mapped
> > > (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> > > Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
> > > buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> > > IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
> > > should get more priority in mapping.
> > > Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
> > > counts!
> > >
> > > When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
> > > bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as
> > it
> > > is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
> > > connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so
> > that
> > > routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct paths.
> > If
> > > not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or clear.
> > > It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
> > >
> > > So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> > > (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a
> > (tourist)
> > > route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle
> > route/network)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Gerard.
> > >
> > > Marc Gemis wrote:
> > >
> > >> I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> > >> other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
> > >> try out
> > >> I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> > >> have to do it with a link
> > >>
> > >> What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> > >> investigate further ?
> > >>
> > >> Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
> > >>
> > >> p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> > >> anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
> > >> a map when you click it
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---- Nederlands ----
> > >>
> > >> Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> > >> foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> > >> (beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> > >> uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
> > >> te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
> > >>
> > >> Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
> > >> ? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
> > >> kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
> > >> staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> > >>
> > https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
> > >> [2] gallery:
> > >> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Talk-be mailing list
> > >> Talk-be at openstreetmap.org
> > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:49:37 +0200
> From: Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>
> To: Jo Hannes <WinFixIT at gmail.com>, OpenStreetMap Belgium
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> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What about the buttons on the traffic lights? And in how much detail to map
> > those traffic lights?
> 
> O, nice one !
> According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing you could
> use "button_operated=yes"
> 
> m
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