[Talk-ca] Biking networks in Canada tagging

Corey Burger corey.burger at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 07:02:28 BST 2008


The TCT should be a relation, rather than a tag on a way, given the
elements of the TCT are actually part of other trail networks, roads,
etc.

Corey

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Sam Vekemans
<acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> we can post that onto the wiki project canada site (thats why i left it
> open)
>
> What I know so far is this.
>
> Tagging
>
> TCT - Trans Canada Trail  (only the trails which have the official stamp)
> (the stamp list is on the POI file i made)
> -what i dont know yet, and i havent heard back from the Trans Canada Trail
> Foundation is if they plan on bringing up the trail to become the national
> trail network.  ... cause its a multi-use, multi-surface trail.
> Zoom in on PEI for example on the TCtrail.ca site.  You see that its not 1
> single connected route, rather a network of many triails.
> My guess is that the ones in Quebec, as there is the ''route de vert''
> each set of trails are run by each different province.
> The Ontario Trails council has all the trails for ontario. ... each are
> marked differently.
> ..
> We see in BC that the Trails BC has their own trail marker for alot of
> different trails.
>
> (thinking about the trails in Lower mainland, how the dyke trails are
> regional trails. ... not part of the TCT)
> ..
>
> I dont think we should be tagging trails if its not physically marked.
>
> Perhaps the 'Across Canada Trails -footpath' tag that i did for Sidney
> should be removed? .. as these are Virtual only (part of the network) and no
> official designation has been set.
>
> However, A reason that we CAN tag the route something that is different than
> what the National Trails Council is thinking, is because its a Virtual
> route. .. and doesnt interfer with the local politics.   (thats the reason
> why the Trans Canada Trail is so hard todo. ... everyone wants to buy-sell
> land, and give permission.  ... when im going about it in the opposite way.
> ... having the trail simply avoiding those land owners who dont want to give
> right-of-way to this virtual railway line.. (sticking a virtual stake in the
> ground directing people where to go, if they disagree then the stake can be
> moved or relabled easily)
>
> (A side note:  Im watching the move 'canada:  A people's History' where the
> railway line, literally ties the country together. .. so taking a railline
> off the grid, means that the town build around the railway dissapears.
> Rails-to-Trails organization has a big part in this iniciative.  :)
>
> So anyway... there is already a set level to the national trails network.
> (until Trans Canada Trail wants to take over)
>
> CN Rail -
> CP Rail -
> in newfoundland they call it the T'Rail
>
> Canadian National Trails Network - CN T'Rail  (CNT) ?
>
> NHN -National Hiking Trail network
>
>> NCN - we leave blank for now
>
>> RCN - This is any cycle network beyond a single municipality, such as
> Regional Cycle Network?
>
>> the GG and LRT here in Victoria
> Galoping Goose,  Lochside Recreational Trail
>> LCN - any municipal efforts, such as the Saanich Centennial Trails
> Local Cycling network?
>> here in Victoria
>
> There are Gravel trails, Dirt Trails, and paved trails. and highway shoulder
> trails. ... all of these are incorporated at some point on the Trans Canada
> Trail.
>
> And we have Cycling, hiking, mountain biking.   .... expedition touring
> bike.  ... horseback riding .. ATVing.
>
> So its not JUST cycling. ... (although, its a major recreation)
>
>>> What i'll do is post screenshots of it. that may help.
>
> So to save people time...
> using wikiloc.com jordie has a few more trails listed now (besides by 56)..
> 20 have been posted by others.
> http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/search.do?all=yes&from=0&to=50&res=on&activity=&country=CA&near=Canada
> http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/home.do
>
> Looks like the site is getting more popular.
>
> (Hopefully that wasnt endless rambling, as before)
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
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>> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:26:51 -0700
>> From: "Corey Burger" <corey.burger at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Talk-ca] Biking networks in Canada
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>> I have noticed there is a bit of NCN tagged in Quebec:
>>
>> http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/?zoom=6&lat=5628088.92068&lon=-8150498.30794&layers=B00
>>
>> However, I am terribly confused, as it is tagged as NCN 8. AFAIK,
>> there is National Cycling network in Canada. Am I mistaken?
>>
>> Anyway, I have tagged the Galloping Goose and Lochside Regional Trails
>> here in Victoria as RCN or regional cycle network:
>> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.43248&lon=-123.37742&zoom=16
>> (not yet visible)
>>
>> So I propose the following:
>>
>> NCN - we leave blank for now
>> RCN - This is any cycle network beyond a single municipality, such as
>> the GG and LRT here in Victoria
>> LCN - any municipal efforts, such as the Saanich Centennial Trails
>> here in Victoria
>>
>> (and yes, as most of Canada has nowhere near the cycling
>> infrastructure as here in Victoria, I realize some of this is
>> academic)
>>
>> Corey
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:05:02 -0700
>> From: Alan McConchie <almccon at ofb.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Biking networks in Canada
>> To: Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "talk-ca at openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
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>> We might want to consider how they're doing things down in the
>> States. Given that it is unlikely that there will ever be a National
>> Cycling Network in the US in the foreseeable future, they're using NCN
>> for statewide networks, and RCN for county-level networks.
>>
>> It looks like that's what they're doing in Quebec; those NCN numbers
>> seem to match the Quebec-wide Route Verte network:
>> http://www.routeverte.com/rv/index_e.php
>>
>> I'd suggest we do the same as they're doing in Quebec and in the US,
>> and use NCN for provincial networks (in provinces where they exist)
>> and use RCN, as you suggest, for anything between municipality and
>> province.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Corey Burger wrote:
>>
>> > I have noticed there is a bit of NCN tagged in Quebec:
>> >
>> > http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/?zoom=6&lat=5628088.92068&lon=-8150498.30794&layers=B00
>> >
>> > However, I am terribly confused, as it is tagged as NCN 8. AFAIK,
>> > there is National Cycling network in Canada. Am I mistaken?
>> >
>> > Anyway, I have tagged the Galloping Goose and Lochside Regional Trails
>> > here in Victoria as RCN or regional cycle network:
>> > http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.43248&lon=-123.37742&zoom=16
>> > (not yet visible)
>> >
>> > So I propose the following:
>> >
>> > NCN - we leave blank for now
>> > RCN - This is any cycle network beyond a single municipality, such as
>> > the GG and LRT here in Victoria
>> > LCN - any municipal efforts, such as the Saanich Centennial Trails
>> > here in Victoria
>> >
>> > (and yes, as most of Canada has nowhere near the cycling
>> > infrastructure as here in Victoria, I realize some of this is
>> > academic)
>> >
>> > Corey
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>> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:56:57 -0700
>> From: "Corey Burger" <corey.burger at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Biking networks in Canada
>> To: "Alan McConchie" <almccon at ofb.net>
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>> This feels like a hack to me. I might be better to create a
>> State/Provincial Cycle Network tag to hold these. For that matter,
>> would the TCT not be an unofficial NCN?
>>
>> Corey
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Alan McConchie <almccon at ofb.net> wrote:
>> > We might want to consider how they're doing things down in the States.
>> > Given that it is unlikely that there will ever be a National Cycling
>> > Network in the US in the foreseeable future, they're using NCN for
>> > statewide
>> > networks, and RCN for county-level networks.
>> >
>> > It looks like that's what they're doing in Quebec; those NCN numbers
>> > seem to
>> > match the Quebec-wide Route Verte network:
>> > http://www.routeverte.com/rv/index_e.php
>> >
>> > I'd suggest we do the same as they're doing in Quebec and in the US, and
>> > use
>> > NCN for provincial networks (in provinces where they exist) and use RCN,
>> > as
>> > you suggest, for anything between municipality and province.
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jul 6, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Corey Burger wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have noticed there is a bit of NCN tagged in Quebec:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/?zoom=6&lat=5628088.92068&lon=-8150498.30794&layers=B00
>> >>
>> >> However, I am terribly confused, as it is tagged as NCN 8. AFAIK,
>> >> there is National Cycling network in Canada. Am I mistaken?
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I have tagged the Galloping Goose and Lochside Regional Trails
>> >> here in Victoria as RCN or regional cycle network:
>> >> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.43248&lon=-123.37742&zoom=16
>> >> (not yet visible)
>> >>
>> >> So I propose the following:
>> >>
>> >> NCN - we leave blank for now
>> >> RCN - This is any cycle network beyond a single municipality, such as
>> >> the GG and LRT here in Victoria
>> >> LCN - any municipal efforts, such as the Saanich Centennial Trails
>> >> here in Victoria
>> >>
>> >> (and yes, as most of Canada has nowhere near the cycling
>> >> infrastructure as here in Victoria, I realize some of this is
>> >> academic)
>> >>
>> >> Corey
>> >>
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