[Talk-ca] Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador, Canada Data

[john whelan]

Let's go back to my full statement:

The City of Ottawa has adopted it with some minor changes.  At the
municipal level the license has been approved by OpenStreetMap's legal
working group.

Stewart>This is not the case, unfortunately.

If the Ottawa license is used with a change of municipal name then I do not
see what the problem is.  Ontario and Toronto licenses are different and
were derived from a different source to my understanding.  I accept these
may not be compatible with OSM and before their use they need to be
verified.  I think Jamie has already raised the issue that if Open Data is
used the license might be an issue.

Cheerio John

On 3 April 2017 at 17:22, Stewart C. Russell <scruss at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2017-04-03 01:22 PM, john whelan wrote:
> > … At the municipal level the license has been approved by
> > OpenStreetMap's legal working group.
>
> This is not the case, unfortunately. This from personal communication
> from Simon Poole of the OSM Foundation's legal team from March 2017:
>
> >> [The Ontario and Toronto licences] illustrate why we didn't want to
> >> make a blanket statement wrt OGL licence variants in CA and why in
> >> general the situation is a bit of a mess.
>
> All individual OGL variants need approval from the legal working group.
>
> So perhaps the OGL licensing route wouldn't be the best route: a lot of
> bureaucracy on the Happy Valley-Goose Bay side, and then a several month
> wait for the LWG to review. I don't think Anatolijs would want that.
>
> Given the size of the town and the severe budget constraints, you might
> have more luck suggesting to the town that allowing the road data to be
> imported to OSM would be a real value proposition. There are permission
> request letters here:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission . The
> town's response to that would be an important thing to include in the
> import wiki page.
>
> There's a (slim) possibility that the town's data, being derived from
> Worldview 2 data, may not able to be licensed under an open licence. Is
> there anything in the data agreement between the town and Worldview
> regarding data rights?
>
> As long as the town is amenable and the licence isn't horrible, the OSM
> import process described here isn't too onerous:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
> There have been several notes to the OSM Imports list¹ from municipal
> GIS techs who want to do the same as you, and as long as there's a wiki
> page and permission from the town granted, it goes ahead smoothly.
>
> (and even if everything goes sideways, there's a lot you can do with a
> vehicle and a GPS that sidesteps licensing completely …)
>
> Really pleased that you want to do this, Anatolijs!
>
> Best Wishes,
>  Stewart
>
>
> ---
> ¹: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
>
> >
> > On 3 Apr 2017 12:33 pm, "Anatolijs Venovcevs"
> > <gistech at happyvalley-goosebay.com
> > <mailto:gistech at happyvalley-goosebay.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I’ve been a longtime fan of Open Street Map but this is the first
> > time I ever decided to help contribute to it. I am the GIS
> > technologist for the Town of Happy Valley-Goose Bay in Newfoundland
> > and Labrador, Canada -
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.3085/-60.3463
> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.3085/-60.3463>____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > It’s a small, isolated community of approximately 8,100 people and
> > I’m the only one with any GIS training and experience. As a result,
> > I’m responsible for doing just about everything to assist the town
> > in geospatial-related functions and have a very tight budget and not
> > a lot of time to them. One of the things there’s been a real
> > interest in is developing some sort of a basic interactive web map
> > for the town’s public information (zoning, water and sewer lines,
> > attractions for our tourist map, etc.). I’m planning on using QGIS
> > plugin qgis2web to do that and use an OpenStreetMap background.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Before I can do that, OpenStreetMap data for the town needs to be
> > updated. It looks to me approximately five years out of date and the
> >  town has been experiencing a major boom in the last few years.
> > Currently, the town has possession of an updated street centerline
> > network (digitized from 40 cm resolution orthorectified Worldview 2
> > satellite imagery) and an up-to-date civic number system with
> > building footprints and parcels for recreational spaces and etc.
> > coming later this year. I’d like to share them with the OSM
> > community.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Before I do that, I’m looking for community buy-in for the project.
> > I will start with manually adding the new streets that have been
> > built over the last few years and correct any information within the
> > town boundaries that no longer represents reality on the ground. If
> > that’s ok with all of you, I’d like to make the OSM web mapping for
> > my corner of Canada a little better.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Thank you,____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *Anatolijs Venovcevs* ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
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