[Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 initiative

Fri Sep 29 13:41:36 UTC 2017

I and others can give access to people to create projects on the tasking
manager. I understand that one person might disapear, i'll try not to die
in the next 2 years ;)

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> But that is only a single person for a project of this size you need some
> sort of team approach.  Although buses are fairly safe the odd one gets hit
> by a train and if you happen to be sitting in the front seat you may not be
> available to sort things out.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To answer you question about who would organise the tasking manager, I'm
>> willing to do so.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of comments:
>>>
>>> 1. Pierre Beland <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has
>>> identified 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets.
>>> https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321  We would
>>> need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most mapping and they have their
>>> own agendas and reasons for mapping. They are more likely to throw their
>>> weight behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure this is.
>>>
>>> 2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a mapathon.
>>> https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg as you can see in my opinion
>>> the quality is not suitable for Stats Canada's use.  Some buildings are
>>> grouped together with others as a single building, others are mapped the
>>> wrong shape or size.  Quite often buildings are omitted.  There are better
>>> examples and there are worse examples but it is not untypical and it was
>>> this experience that made me suggest the Open Data import route in the
>>> first place.
>>>
>>> So Open Data import is better for quality.  Adding tags to building foot
>>> prints is less error prone.
>>>
>>> 3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in Canada source
>>> Stats Can.  It took five years to get the City of Ottawa to update their
>>> Open Data license.  Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data
>>> tool kit for the municipalities.  With good will I estimate it will take
>>> two years to get the Open Data licenses amended.  Kingston might be a good
>>> target.  With any questions and there will be a number, this figure can be
>>> expected to drift out to three to four years.  Who is responsible to answer
>>> questions, in both official languages?  Who will make the requests to
>>> municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license?
>>>
>>> In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources.  We had enough local
>>> mappers to discuss things through which is part of the import process. We
>>> had good will from the City of Ottawa and they were happy to release
>>> building foot print data which had not been part of their Open Data so
>>> far.  The import process is not simple these days, it would need  the steps
>>> to follow to be documented and then you get the technical side of the
>>> import.  I'm a fairly experienced mapper and to be honest I wouldn't
>>> attempt the sort of complex import that was done in Ottawa.  I'm not sure
>>> the Ottawa experience is repeatable more than five thousand times.
>>>
>>> We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing licenses but they
>>> are volunteers and for five thousand opinions that would take a
>>> considerable amount of time and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones
>>> I wouldn't even bother.
>>>
>>> The community is supposed to be doing this.  Fine but a project manager
>>> and a project plan might make it run more smoothly.  Data quality will be
>>> important so how will it be verified?  Who will be responsible for
>>> organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who will identify the
>>> group of mappers who are "local" to a small municipality?  Remember these
>>> have a critical decision making role to play in the import process.
>>>
>>> Have fun.
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) <
>>> alessandro.alasia at canada.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all!
>>>>
>>>> Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa,
>>>> Sept 14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop
>>>> to discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled
>>>> “Building Canada 2020”.
>>>>
>>>> The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: *map all buildings
>>>> in Canada on OSM by the year 2020*. The workshop was well attended.
>>>> There were about 50 people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic
>>>> group, and private). This was a preliminary discussion amongst a small
>>>> group of people, but now that broad interest has been confirmed more
>>>> stakeholders need to be involved!
>>>>
>>>> A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft *Roadmap to
>>>> implementation* has been posted on the OSM Wiki at:
>>>> *https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020*
>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020>
>>>>
>>>> Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all buildings in Canada on
>>>> OSM by the year 2020” is invited to contribute to the discussion and
>>>> the roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss
>>>> how coordination, communication and governance of this initiative can be
>>>> set in place.
>>>>
>>>> One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that “Building
>>>> Canada 2020” is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not
>>>> properly a project of any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal.
>>>> The hope is that many organizations and contributors working with an open
>>>> data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts through a multitude of
>>>> projects, initiatives, and activities towards a common goal that would
>>>> benefit society at large.
>>>>
>>>> My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project
>>>> with OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the
>>>> possibility of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities
>>>> the work done with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this
>>>> StatCan project would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada
>>>> 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and
>>>> activities contributing to the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to
>>>> coordinate work with other organizations or groups that share the vision.
>>>> We would also be happy to share experiences and the tools developed while
>>>> working with building information on OSM.
>>>>
>>>> We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we
>>>> move forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more
>>>> cities.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Alessandro and DEIL Team
>>>>
>>>>
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