[Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 initiative
Matthew Darwin
matthew at mdarwin.ca
Fri Sep 29 14:04:59 UTC 2017
Another good reason to create an organization that holds the keys to
key OSM resources... then it can out-survive all of us. :-)
On 2017-09-29 09:41 AM, James wrote:
> I and others can give access to people to create projects on the
> tasking manager. I understand that one person might disapear, i'll
> try not to die in the next 2 years ;)
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
> <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> But that is only a single person for a project of this size you
> need some sort of team approach. Although buses are fairly safe
> the odd one gets hit by a train and if you happen to be sitting
> in the front seat you may not be available to sort things out.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <james2432 at gmail.com
> <mailto:james2432 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> To answer you question about who would organise the tasking
> manager, I'm willing to do so.
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan
> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> A couple of comments:
>
> 1. Pierre Beland**
> <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has identified
> 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets.
> https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321
> <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321>
> We would need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most
> mapping and they have their own agendas and reasons for
> mapping. They are more likely to throw their weight
> behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure
> this is.
>
> 2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a
> mapathon. https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg
> <https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg> as you can
> see in my opinion the quality is not suitable for Stats
> Canada's use. Some buildings are grouped together with
> others as a single building, others are mapped the wrong
> shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted.
> There are better examples and there are worse examples
> but it is not untypical and it was this experience that
> made me suggest the Open Data import route in the first
> place.
>
> So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags
> to building foot prints is less error prone.
>
> 3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in
> Canada source Stats Can. It took five years to get the
> City of Ottawa to update their Open Data license.
> Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data
> tool kit for the municipalities. With good will I
> estimate it will take two years to get the Open Data
> licenses amended. Kingston might be a good target.
> With any questions and there will be a number, this
> figure can be expected to drift out to three to four
> years. Who is responsible to answer questions, in both
> official languages? Who will make the requests to
> municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license?
>
> In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had
> enough local mappers to discuss things through which is
> part of the import process. We had good will from the
> City of Ottawa and they were happy to release building
> foot print data which had not been part of their Open
> Data so far. The import process is not simple these
> days, it would need the steps to follow to be
> documented and then you get the technical side of the
> import. I'm a fairly experienced mapper and to be
> honest I wouldn't attempt the sort of complex import
> that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure the Ottawa
> experience is repeatable more than five thousand times.
>
> We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing
> licenses but they are volunteers and for five thousand
> opinions that would take a considerable amount of time
> and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones I
> wouldn't even bother.
>
> The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a
> project manager and a project plan might make it run
> more smoothly. Data quality will be important so how
> will it be verified? Who will be responsible for
> organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who
> will identify the group of mappers who are "local" to a
> small municipality? Remember these have a critical
> decision making role to play in the import process.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
> On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro
> (STATCAN) <alessandro.alasia at canada.ca
> <mailto:alessandro.alasia at canada.ca>> wrote:
>
> Hello all!
> Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT
> Summit held in Ottawa, Sept 14-15. In parallel to
> the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop to
> discuss the possibility of launching a community-led
> initiative titled “Building Canada 2020”.
> The goal and vision of this initiative is simple:
> */map all buildings in Canada on OSM by the year
> 2020/*. The workshop was well attended. There were
> about 50 people from various sectors (federal,
> academic, civic group, and private). This was a
> preliminary discussion amongst a small group of
> people, but now that broad interest has been
> confirmed more stakeholders need to be involved!
> A short summary of the workshop along with a first
> draft */Roadmap to implementation/* has been posted
> on the OSM Wiki at:
> _https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020_
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020>
>
> Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all
> buildings in Canada on OSM by the year 2020”**is
> invited to contribute to the discussion and the
> roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is
> still need to discuss how coordination,
> communication and governance of this initiative can
> be set in place.
> One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is
> that “Building Canada 2020” is not a Statistics
> Canada project. In fact, it is not properly a
> project of any sort. It is a vision and an
> aspirational goal. The hope is that many
> organizations and contributors working with an open
> data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts
> through a multitude of projects, initiatives, and
> activities towards a common goal that would benefit
> society at large.
> My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working
> on a pilot project with OSM (which was presented at
> the HOT Summit). We are looking at the possibility
> of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to
> other cities the work done with the pilot in Ottawa
> and Gatineau. If this happens, this StatCan project
> would contribute to, and align with, the Building
> Canada 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but
> one of many projects and activities contributing to
> the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to
> coordinate work with other organizations or groups
> that share the vision. We would also be happy to
> share experiences and the tools developed while
> working with building information on OSM.
> We look forward to further collaboration with the
> OSM communities as we move forward with the second
> phase of our project and expand to more cities.
> Best regards
> Alessandro and DEIL Team
>
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