[Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 19 16:07:39 UTC 2018

I seem to recall from talking to Canada Post that Orleans is the only
location for which that is true.  All of Orleans is located within Ottawa.
So how do you tag it?  It is within the City of Ottawa these days.

Thanks John

On 19 February 2018 at 10:44, Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca> wrote:

> Hi Clifford,
> (It was good to meet you at SOTM US last year).
> Thanks for your comments... The situation with addr:city appears to me to
> be more complex than the situation with addr:province/addr:country, along
> the lines of what you are mentioning. My personal home mailing address
> cannot be resolved in OSM because the mailing address does not match any of
> the boundaries.  (OSM boundaries are correct, but the official post address
> cannot be resolved from the boundaries). So I have a feeling that addr:city
> is going to be required, at least in some cases.
> Do you have a view on addr:province/addr:state or addr:country?  US/Canada
> probably have more similarities than differences, so your input is very
> welcome.
> On 2018-02-19 10:36 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:
> Matthew,
> Just one concern - Removing of addr:city. I encourage people to include
> addr:city since it's part of their mailing address and could easily be
> outside of the city limits. While addr:city isn't needed inside of city
> boundaries since it can be obtained from their spatial location, does make
> it much easier to full addresses from OSM. I would recommend not removing
> addr:city.
> My perspective is from the states where I'm familiar with how the US
> Postal service operates. If this isn't true in Canada - please ignore.
> Clifford
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 7:21 AM, Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
> wrote:
>> I want to bump up this thread to see what other opinions are out there.
>> If you are supportive to remove the addr:province and addr:country tags in
>> Canada, please speak up.  I don't like making big changes with only 1
>> comment.  (If you like, feel free to reply privately to me avoid bombarding
>> the list with "me too" and I will summarize the replies on the list).
>> Prior to starting this discussion, I too have been removing these tags when
>> I come across them (a few places in London, ON had country=US???)
>> Alternately my proposal would be to:
>>    - change addr:state => addr:province
>>    - add ~2.7 million missing  addr:province / addr:country where they
>>    don't exist
>>    - an then then to standardize what we are putting into those fields.
>>    eg for addr:province in Ontario: ON, on, Ontario, ONTARIO, Ont, ont, or the
>>    several other variations that exist today.  ("ON" is most popular, followed
>>    by "Ontario")
>> If you don't like either of the above, I would really like to hear why
>> having the tags in some places but not others is a good thing.  As you may
>> have noticed based on my posts over the last few weeks that I like to have
>> things (more) consistent, unless there is a (good) reason not to be
>> consistent.
>> On 2018-02-16 12:52 PM, Alan Richards wrote:
>> I typically remove these tags when I come across them, as yes, I've heard
>> the same argument that they're redundant.
>> I like all this cleanup you've been doing with phone numbers, addresses,
>> etc. Kudos!
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> During the discussion of cleaning up municipality names in Canada, it
>>> was suggested that the addr:city could be removed entirely if the
>>> appropriate boundaries are defined.   I would hazard to guess (and will
>>> endeavour to investigate) that the addr:city and the boundaries do not
>>> always align in Canada (there are ~11300 administrative boundaries of some
>>> type and there are ~7000 unique addr:city tags)... so this will be a much
>>> more long term effort.
>>> However, the provincial/territorial boundaries are defined, so removing
>>> the addr:country, addr:provice and addr:state tags might be a more
>>> reasonable at this time.  (addr:country is used ~94% less than addr:street)
>>> Tags, by number of occurrences:
>>>  167902 addr:country
>>>   33252 addr:state
>>>  179741 addr:province
>>> 2950115 addr:city
>>> 2942159 addr:street
>>> 2934341 addr:housenumber
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