[Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec

[John Whelan]

So far you haven't really given a good case for the change other than "I 
think this way."  If you think the Ontario and Quebec mappers are a 
clique then reread the emails in the list. It's rare that Pierre and I 
agree on everything.

If you have a case then state it but I've seen nothing other than you 
think it should be done in a different way.

I would remind you that in OSM the authority is the local mappers so you 
need to convince them with a reasonable arguments and I don't think your 
comment that we just need to reeducate people goes along way to 
convincing them to be onside with your ideas.

Bye John

Jherome Miguel wrote on 7/4/2021 8:46 PM:
> Just because I’m from another province, you’re just going to discredit 
> me in favour of a clique within your province who would just do what 
> they want with the map even if it’s against good practice. We’re not 
> going far just because an Albertan finds fault with a tagging scheme a 
> small group is happy with.
>
> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:32 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     But they are happy with the status quo and that's what counts not
>     what you think is best.
>
>     John
>
>
>     On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 20:30 Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jheromemiguel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         And what if their tagging practices are in major conflict with
>         good practice? Mapping for the renderer in particular.
>
>         On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 5:48 PM john whelan
>         <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             By the way that little group of mappers are local to
>             Ontario and Quebec.  I think you'll find that in OSM what
>             the local mappers want and decide goes.  Living in Alberta
>             doesn't really make you a local mapper.
>
>             Cheerio John
>
>             On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 19:37 john whelan
>             <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 And your problem is?
>
>                 John
>
>                 On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 19:09 Jherome Miguel
>                 <jheromemiguel at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:jheromemiguel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                     Every person do have their own mapping styles as
>                     well. Unfortunately, that do sometime lead to
>                     conflicts and edit wars.
>
>                     Back on the issue, this appears to be a reboot of
>                     a related thread from 2018:
>                     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2018-November/008852.html.
>                     Looks like we’re continuously in war with a small
>                     camp of mappers who want to keep the mess they’ve
>                     created. It has been planned two times these
>                     “names” should go; one is successful, but has been
>                     undone, and the second appears to have stalled
>                     (MapRoulette challenge set up, but looks like
>                     nothing changed for Ontario and Quebec. All other
>                     provinces have been cleaned up except a few legit
>                     instances of named interchanges).
>
>                     On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 4:38 PM John Whelan
>                     <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                         OSM is all about local mappers and North
>                         America does it this way doesn't really mean much.
>
>                         Quebec in particular likes to show it's
>                         independence.  Ottawa maps it's buildings
>                         differently to other locations in Canada. 
>                         When asked about it the local mappers simply
>                         said they like the way it was done.
>
>                         Talk first if you must on talk-ca but I don't
>                         see any enthusiasm for what you are proposing
>                         especially if it means reeducating people.
>
>                         Cheerio John
>
>
>                         Jherome Miguel wrote on 7/4/2021 5:42 PM:
>>                         we use throughout North America.
>
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