[Talk-ca] Open addresses from Statistics Canada
John Whelan
jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 26 21:52:40 UTC 2021
Be very careful. I was after some data from the City of Ottawa that had
been released to Google under a Google dictated license which was far
less restrictive than the open data license they had at the time.
Basically Google could do what they liked with it. When questioned the
formal answer came back the City did not need to release its data to
everyone under the same license. So just because the data has been
released under a specific license to Stats Canada does not mean all
their open data is licensed for use by everyone under the same license.
Cheerio John
Justin Tracey wrote on 6/26/2021 5:36 PM:
> I actually looked closer while filtering the data for the Region of
> Waterloo,[0] and the metadata document is actually pretty clear that
> they did collate this data from public sources where they deemed it
> compatible with the OGL Canada:
>
> "Across Canada, local governments create and maintain civic addresses.
> The ODA derives its record directly from these authoritative sources,
> which made these records available under an open data license
> compatible with the Government of Canada Open Data License." [1]
>
> It goes on with language making it pretty clear they consider the data
> to be compatible via the respective licenses, not some privileged
> position from being StatCan.
>
> Would it be worth reaching out to the legal team to see if this means
> we can approve all the licenses they list in Data_Sources.csv? That's
> a lot of potential data aside from addresses that could be very useful...
>
> - Justin
>
> [0] https://github.com/jtracey/WaterlooRegionAddresses
> [1] https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/lode/databases/oda/metadata#s2
>
> On 2021-05-23 10:03 p.m., John Whelan wrote:
>> Interesting question, you obviously haven't met the guys at
>> Statistics Canada. Basically in order for Stats to release the data
>> as part of any survey etc they need it to be licensed to them in a
>> form they can use. Once that is done then Stats can do with it as
>> they please. They make a lot of money out of producing surveys by
>> combining data that show where the best location for a new coffee
>> shop etc. is and that is often the driving force behind their geo
>> data side.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> Justin Tracey wrote on 5/23/2021 9:23 PM:
>>>
>>> What is not clear is *how* they got this permission.
>>>
>>> On 2021-05-23 2:41 p.m., James wrote:
>>>> would it though? as the data obtained from stats can is under one
>>>> license to simplify the process, cities give their data so it can
>>>> be licensed under it. It's not a dual license type situation.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun., May 23, 2021, 2:39 p.m. Justin Tracey, <j3tracey at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:j3tracey at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The individual licenses for each municipality have to be approved
>>>> individually (they do sometimes make changes incompatible with the
>>>> ODbL), but this dataset is re-licensed under OGL Canada, which
>>>> has been
>>>> approved:
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/OGL_Canada_and_local_variants
>>>> <https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/OGL_Canada_and_local_variants>
>>>>
>>>> - Justin
>>>>
>>>> On 2021-05-23 10:12 a.m., James wrote:
>>>> > Yes it has, but we agreed in the past each city would have to
>>>> apply via
>>>> > the import process and not a blanket.
>>>> >
>>>> > We did Ottawa via the ODB.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun., May 23, 2021, 10:10 a.m. Jarek Piórkowski,
>>>> <jarek at piorkowski.ca <mailto:jarek at piorkowski.ca>
>>>> > <mailto:jarek at piorkowski.ca <mailto:jarek at piorkowski.ca>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Has its licence, "Open Government Licence – Canada", been
>>>> cleared by
>>>> > OSM legal with that specific name?
>>>> >
>>>> > Here is the link:
>>>> https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/lode/databases/oda
>>>> <https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/lode/databases/oda>
>>>> > <https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/lode/databases/oda
>>>> <https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/lode/databases/oda>>
>>>> > (the ZIPs aren't downloading right now, might be everyone
>>>> trying to
>>>> > download them?)
>>>> >
>>>> > It claims to include postal code which could be pretty
>>>> useful
>>>> for OSM
>>>> > as I don't think there's any other open datasets with
>>>> Canadian postal
>>>> > codes
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, 23 May 2021 at 10:00, john whelan
>>>> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>>> > <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > According to weeklyosm these are now available.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Cheerio John
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