[Talk-ca] Road name edits in Canada
Andy Townsend
ajt1047 at gmail.com
Sat Apr 16 09:06:44 UTC 2022
Thanks for the replies.
I'll raise this issue with the mapper concerned and suggest that they
discuss in more detail here.
Best Regards,
Andy
On 16/04/2022 03:11, john whelan wrote:
> I seem to recall it took five years after I identified the licensing
> issue with a Treasury Board before they sorted out the licence and
> another two years before we managed to get the City of Ottawa to adopt
> the new license. Stats came along part way through and were helpful
> in bringing it all together. It also involved the Open Data group at
> Carleton University who identified data sets that could be used
> amongest other things.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 9:51 PM john whelan, <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I worked with stats Canada and the open data group within Federal
> government and with the city of Ottawa.
>
> The project was importing buildings into OSM, basically we had the
> Federal Government's licence together with the City of Ottawa's
> licence approved by the legal working group. This was after both
> the Federal government and the city of Ottawa changed their
> licence to the new present one after it had been identified that
> both old licences were not suitable for import.
>
> The City of Ottawa's licence is virtually the same as the Federal
> government one other than a few minor differences since one was a
> municipality and one Federal government.
>
> The people I worked with at Stats were releasing data through the
> Federal government open data portal which has the full Federal
> government open data licence. They may have released data through
> another portal with a different licence but anything released
> through the central open data portal is correctly licenced. I
> understand CANVEC for example is now covered by this license.
>
> It should be noted that a lot of effort went into ensuring the
> licences were acceptable.
>
> I understand that Toronto's licence was submitted but I haven't
> followed who submitted it or how it got on.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 21:27 Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Andy,
>
> Regarding the licences themselves:
>
> Recent Statistics Canada data appears to be released under a
> "Statistics Canada Open Licence" which can be found at
> https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/reference/licence. As far as I
> know this
> has not been approved for importing to OSM. I do not know
> whether the
> editor's activities would be considered an "import" or if the
> licence
> is compatible for non-import use. The OSM wiki at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada#Importing_government_data
> does say "Statistics Canada data is used to import street
> names where
> they are missing from the other data sets. It is advised to
> not copy
> the geometry; however, you can use the street names database as a
> reference. " - I did not go through the page history to find
> when and
> by whom this was added.
>
> The "Open Government Licence – Winnipeg" is, to my
> understanding, not
> a suitable OSM import data license. This is a long-standing
> problem
> with Canadian open data where licences with the government
> unit's name
> in their name (here "Winnipeg") are considered by OSM a different
> licence from the Open Government Licence even if all the words
> other
> than the city name are the same. As far as I know only the Ottawa
> community has gone through the (rather slow) process of getting
> OGL-Ottawa approved as an OSM import licence. Same question about
> whether the edits constitute an "import" applies.
>
> --Jarek
>
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 16:53, Andy Townsend
> <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello talk-ca people,
> >
> > Andy from the Data Working Group here.
> >
> > A new prolific mapper has recently popped up, adding road
> names in
> > Canada and elsewhere. It has been suggested to the DWG that
> many of the
> > names used were just copied from sources that aren't
> licence-compatible
> > with OSM, such as Google Maps. Some responses to questions
> about map
> > sources have been somewhat evasive (see e.g.
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027 ) but they
> now claim
> > to be using sources such as:
> >
> > "City of Winnipeg Open Data Portal - Contains information
> licensed under
> > the Open Government Licence – Winnipeg."
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/734204653
> >
> > and
> >
> > "Statistics Canada Road Network File (RNF)"
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/507685150
> >
> > (see https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119761959 for more)
> >
> > Do these sources check out as reasonable, and
> licence-compatible with
> > OSM? Also (and actually more important) are the latest
> edits by this
> > user backed up by those sources?
> >
> > Normally of course OSM mappers have considerable freedom to
> map as they
> > wish - we take a lot on trust, and don't check that every
> edit that was
> > allegedly derived from a compatible imagery source actually
> was and
> > wasn't from a non-compatible source instead. Unfortunately,
> in the case
> > of this mapper (see previous interactions at e.g.
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PopeyePopcord/blocks and
> > https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027 ) I think we
> need to have
> > a soupçon of skepticism.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
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