[Talk-ca] First Nations reserve naming

[Michael Stark]

I did use the official names for the name tag for both the relation for the
nation and for the reserve. Well, not the legally official name. For the
nation, that is "Tsuut'ina Nation
Band No. 432". For the reserve, it is "Tsuu T'ina Nation Indian Reserve No.
145". But using the legal names could be seen as culturally insensitive.
>From what I can see, the norm in Canada is to label reserves as the legal
name, but without the "Indian Reserve No." part.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022, 4:46 PM Pierre-Léo Bourbonnais <leo at leograph.com>
wrote:

> I would suggest to :
> 1. Revert the changes
> 2. Get the official namings from the map on
> https://geo.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/cippn-fnpim/index-eng.html
> 3. On a case-by-case, contact the appropriate nations and ask them if the
> official name is correct, and how they would call themselves officially in
> an international context (osm) in english, french, and in their own
> language (name:en, name:fr, and name:NATION_LANG).
> 3b: use custom tags or alt_name tags to add specific names that you know
> of. Or use the note or fixme tags to explain how you would change the names
> and propose new names with references/sources.
>
> If you continue to insult yourselves here, people will just ignore your
> messages and we may even loose valuable members from the osm community in
> our communications.
>
> Pierre-Léo Bourbonnais
> OSM username: ChaireMobiliteKaligrafy
>
> On Dec 6, 2022, at 5:21 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada could do with some of your
> expertise in determining the appropriate authority.  I think they've been
> at it for a hundred or more years and still get surprised.
>
> A few years ago, I think it was working with a group of Indigenous people
> in Ontario we were assisting with economic development sort of have a free
> sawmill.  The problem was we were unable to get agreement from Indigenous
> people.  It turned out that the appropiate authority in this case lived in
> B.C. and wouldn't see any economic benefit.
>
> Determining who has the authority to speak on a matter isn't always
> straight forward.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022, 16:38 Michael Stark <michael60634 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoser, please stop being an asshole. You truly are the definition of your
>> username.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022, 3:03 PM James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> long story short we should revert these changesets
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022, 3:47 PM Hoser AB <hoserab1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ooooh boy, hahaha...
>>>>
>>>> So what you're saying Michael is that you contacted someone in order to
>>>> "do your research" but didn't bother waiting for a response before blazing
>>>> ahead with whatever changes you wanted to make anyway. Not unlike your
>>>> earlier appeal in a changeset comment to "consensus on the talk-ca mail
>>>> list" where there was/is none.
>>>>
>>>> When someone from the nation responds that they make no distinction,
>>>> and it's all "Tsúùt’ínà" in their language and "Tsuut'ina" (categorically
>>>> no space) in English... then what? Are you going to ignore it because it's
>>>> not the answer you were looking for? Are you going to ignore it because
>>>> it's the answer I already gave you, but I'm a big meanie and you don't like
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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