[Talk-GB] NSG NLPG LLPGs Re: Definitive source for UK streetnames? - OS, 'road name signs', or a council 'list'?

[80n]

Micah
Very nice.

Do you have any thoughts about how you could attract large numbers of users
to this site?

80n

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Micah <lists at j12.org> wrote:

> The data in the National Street Gazetteer (NSG) is owned by Local
> Government
> Information House (LGIH) on behalf of the local authorities.
> A commercial operation Intelligent Addressing
> manages the data and runs infrastructure to maintain it:
> http://www.intelligent-addressing.co.uk/
>
> The local authorities can justify the money spent on maintaining their own
> Local Land and Property Gazetteer (LLPG) which feeds in to NSG as less than
> it
> saved in increase efficiencies by avoiding duplicating maintain multiple
> address datasets across departments, so saves council tax.
>
> Local Authorities also have duties to be responsible for Street Naming &
> Numbering with local guidelines to be enforced for new streets.
>
> https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=Street+Naming+%26+Numbering
>
> I think they should give up trying to gain additional revenue by trying to
> sell it, and release all they can to be free-ly reused.
>
> Others do too:
>
> http://www.opsi.gov.uk/unlocking-service/2008/12/05/NationalStreetGazetteer
>
> http://www.opsi.gov.uk/unlocking-service/CategoryView/category/NLPG/
>
> but will those voices outweigh those with vesting interest as re-sellers:
>
> http://www.aligned-
>
> assets.co.uk/news/2010/Aligned_Assets_bring_NLPG_affordability_to_smaller_organisations_through_Software_By_Subscription.html
>
> http://www.nlpg.org.uk/
>
>
> Given the quite right rebuff to the idea of a 'correct' street name later
> in
> this this thread there is also the mistakes that will be in the NSG itself.
> A
> dataset only gets more accurate if it has good feedbacks to correct it, and
> these generally increase with use.
>
>
> Could we ever build an open replacement for the National Land and Property
> Gazetteer (NLPG) & the Royal Mail's Postcode Address File (PAF)?
>
> Well we can try:
> http://openaddresses.org/
>
> cheers,
>
> Micah Bunny
> --
> http://blog.j12.org/
>
>
>
> On Friday 06 Aug 2010 14:36:46 Lester Caine wrote:
> > Jason Cunningham wrote:
> > > Just read through a short discussion about differences in street names
> > > in OSM and 'OS Locator', and problems caused by differences in names
> > > given The classic problem is where the road street sign says something
> > > like 'Dukes Drive' but OS locator states Duke's Drive.
> > > Noticed that common view was OSM mapped what was on the ground, so road
> > > sign name was added.
> > >
> > > Having come across roads where road names differ on adjacent roads
> > > signs, I'm not too sure road signs can be 100% relied on, but OS also
> > > clearly make mistakes.
> > > Has anyone heard of how this problem is dealt with by authorities (eg
> > > councils) as they seem to rely on OS as a definitive source for mapping
> > > data.
> >
> > The councils will be be working to the street table in their LLPG data,
> and
> > it is that which is supplied TO OS as the 'correct' local information.
> > There is even a mechanism for advising changes and new streets in the
> > update format. The one thing that is worth noting in this is that
> POSTCODE
> > is not a requirement in this data, only the NLPG references. Of cause
> what
> > is more anoying is that while we all pay to create the data via our
> > council tax, http://www.thensg.org.uk/ is owned by a commercial
> operation
> > that then makes money out of it :(
>
>
>
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