[Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrlists at gmail.com
Wed Apr 20 10:03:22 BST 2011

Thanks for response Andy. I'm with you regarding tagging the NB as ncn= for
the reasons you give. Appreciate all your hard work in keeping the cyclemap
up and running. It's a fantastic resource.

On your note re Sustrans walking/cycling I did the same chuckle. I'm also
surprised that they haven't yet changed the standard ranger sticker from the
cycling one to the one that adds the pedestrian at the top as well. Every
ranger patch I put up I have to add the walking/cycling (SPB) patch which is
just a waste.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravitystorm at gmail.com]
>Sent: 20 April 2011 9:23 AM
>To: monxton
>Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap
>On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM, monxton <gmane at jordan-maynard.org>
>>  So I hope his sense of humour is robust enough for me to mention that
>> it's 3.5 years since since the schedule for rendering the National
>> Byway was "this week".
>Let's face it though, in the face of trying to keep the server running
>ever-increasing pressures, and dealing with problems and improvements in
>the cartography that affect the whole planet, it's not hugely surprising
>the National Byway hasn't quite bubbled up to the top of my todo list. I
>the key hasn't been updated in 3.5 years either, and I've never gotten
>to documenting my wonderful system for highlighting places that serve
>fryups, and I think both of those are more important :-)
>But on the National Byway issue, there are a few fundamental things.
>I've pretty much settled on not adding any new types of cycle route
>highlighting, since I think three levels of hierarchy have pretty much
>sufficient in many different countries. I disagree (with
>Richard) that there's anything fundamentally different between a cycle
>of national importance organised by one UK charity as opposed to a cycle
>route of national importance organised by a different UK charity. However,
>I'm aware that we are doing lots of non-cyclists a disfavour by classifying
>national byway as only being for cycling (with the route=bicycle tag). If
>keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway
>and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes
>every other country in OSM. If anyone cares about the differences between a
>Sustrans route and other routes, then the operator tag would be
>So I expect to render it at some point (still), but it's never really been
a great
>priority for me, and when it does get rendered I'll be treating it the same
>as all the other national "cycling" routes[1] around the world.
>[1] I was at a Sustrans rangers meeting once where the big guns were
>discussing the fact that their network was for both cyclists and walkers,
>why did so many people think it was only for cyclists. I laughed slightly
>pointed out that they'd called it the "National Cycle Network" and the clue
>the cause of the confusion might be in the name.
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