[Talk-GB] Telegraph releases Green Belt data

Dudley Ibbett dudleyibbett at hotmail.com
Fri Nov 30 09:34:02 GMT 2012


This is a topical subject for me as I'm a Parish Councillor and we're looking to develop a Neighbourhood Plan.  Ours is a small rural Parish and I'm hoping to use OSM to map it in more detail and then use Maperative to produce maps of specific features.  

I'd suggest contacting your local Parish Council as I suspect thery will have no knowledge of OSM and jow it might help them.  There is a requirement for community engagement.  What better way than to get people to map their neighbourhood.

We don't have a new housing quota but permitted development is a constant threat.



> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:57:28 +0000
> From: jon at spiffymap.net
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Telegraph releases Green Belt data
> On 28/11/12 20:46, Tom Chance wrote:
> > On 28 November 2012 19:40, Andy Robinson <ajrlists at gmail.com 
> > <mailto:ajrlists at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Some of the area’s most certainly are not “protected” as they are
> >     actively being discussed for development. 
> >
> >
> > These are probably areas that have been de-designated, or are being 
> > considered for this fate, since the Telegraph's data source was compiled.
> >
> > This points to the major flaw with importing this data - it changes 
> > year to year, and we can't easily observe the changes on the ground. 
> > We might spot development on green belt and so remove the designation, 
> > we don't spot where new green space is designated as greenbelt. Unless 
> > we had ongoing co-operation from local authorities, within a year we'd 
> > be hosting a dataset that's out of date and impossible to check.
> Hardly impossible, since it's public information. Green belt land is 
> supposed to be "permanent", if I remember the Town and Country Planning 
> Act correctly, so it should change less often than local government 
> boundaries, which have no evidence on the ground at all in most places - 
> yet we still maintain them in OSM.
> Local authorities normally publish green belt maps as part of their 
> planning statements. Unfortunately these are often in hard-to-use 
> formats like PDF.
> I'm not arguing for a rush to import this dataset, but it would be great 
> to have this information in OSM and much easier to maintain it after 
> import/tracing than to author it by hand. When I say it would be great 
> to have it, in fact I believe this is a huge opportunity for OSM to play 
> a vital role in local democracy. And when I say vital, I'm not exaggerating.
> The Localism Act 2011 sweeps away a lot of restrictions on planning. 
> There is now a thing called "neighbourhood planning" which means that 
> communities - or in practice, the tiny proportion of people who take an 
> interest in planning - will be able to grant planning permission where 
> "they want" to see things built. It limits the powers of professional 
> planners to place restrictions on what will be built where - if "the 
> community" votes to allow building, it will be allowed without any 
> professional input. (Sorry, I mean interference from government.)
> This means that property developers will be able to "convince" just a 
> few people to vote in favour of a development (you can use your 
> imagination how this convincing might be accomplished) and it will go 
> ahead. The only safeguard left against this will be to get enough people 
> involved in the process, and that requires people to be well informed.
> I had some discussions with someone at the Campaign for the Protection 
> of Rural England a while ago and they sound very keen to provide tools 
> to help communities understand their local geography, given these huge 
> new responsibilities that we have been given. Maps are of course key to 
> this. If we can present this sort of information in OSM, it could even 
> become the de facto source of information for community planning activities.
> Worth a shot, no?
> J.
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