[Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

SK53 sk53.osm at gmail.com
Wed Jan 6 14:06:54 UTC 2016


Purely a personal preference, but I like to keep ref for thing which
(generally) can be determined on a ground survey. I also like to keep
separate genuine administrative references (such as the PRoW ones prow_ref,
or minor roads admin_ref) separate from exposed system keys such as the
edubase one.

For Food Hygiene (FHRS) data the equivalent internal identifier has
converged on fhrs:id, but this was is in part because a number of other
items of data from the Food Hygiene scheme have also been added within OSM.
So I dont think this establishes any precedent for whether one has
ref:supplier or supplier:ref or supplier_ref. Consistency would be nice but
is not essential

If adding an edubase identifier, I'd also appreciate it if a FHRS one can
be added too. These are certainly invariant, only changing when the
premises change ownership. (I'm not sure what applies when school catering
is outsourced, or if a school acquires academy status.

I must say I like the various suggestions for better micromapping of
schools: this means that there is plenty to do even in well mapped areas.
One thing I've always wanted to map, but have never noticed suitable tags,
are the hard-surfaced school playgrounds. Clearly, using the existing
leisure=playground is a poor idea as it changes the meaning of existing
mapped objects; and also many primary schools will have a proper playground
too.

Jerry

On 6 January 2016 at 12:42, Stuart Reynolds <
stuart at travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi Jez,
>
> I was pondering that myself as I added the Edubase numbers to the schools
> that I have added and/or modified. I had two thoughts: one, we could just
> write a piece of free text such as “UK Edubase” in front of the ref; two,
> which is more elegant although involving non-standard tags, is that we tag
> it as ref:uk_edubase=* (or similar).
>
> Regards,
> Stuart
>
>
>
> On 6 Jan 2016, at 11:36, Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On the ref=*. Is there any convention for indicating that the ref is
> Edubase? I've tagged Brighton Montessori with ref=133348 ...but how would
> an interested party know that they would be able to find more details on
> Edubase
> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/establishment/summary.xhtml?urn=133348 ?
>
>
> I agree that where an object is clearly 'owned' by an
> authority/company/etc. that it is *the* 'ref'. e.g. postbox numbers
>
> Regards,
>             Jez
>
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 at 17:05 Stuart Reynolds <
> stuart at travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I’m thinking that while we are reviewing the schools, it would be a good
>> idea to add the Edubase reference into a Ref tag for each school boundary
>> polygon, to make it easier to track in future. Is that reference stable
>> enough?
>> If we think that it is a good idea, perhaps we could make it part of an
>> agreed “do minimum” for this project. For example:
>>
>>
>>    - draw and tag the boundary polygon with a minimum of
>>       - amenity=school
>>       - name=*
>>       - ref=*
>>    - add entrances
>>       - at least one entrance=main
>>       - barrier=gate where appropriate - I would have thought most
>>       schools will have gates
>>       - others entrances where appropriate
>>    - then optionally, but preferably, draw the school buildings and tag
>>    building=school.
>>
>>
>> I know we don’t want to be prescriptive, but it would certainly help
>> people (like myself) who haven't participated in projects before ’t there
>> was a (readily achievable) level of expectation as to what involvement in
>> the project meant.
>>
>> Personally I have been adding in the buildings, but I haven’t been
>> worrying (for now) about playing fields and the like - I’ll go back and
>> revisit those if I have time. But there are a surprising number of missing
>> schools so I have been looking to get those in first.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 21:54, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Some great ideas and tools already shared and only January 3rd!
>>
>> This made me think I should set up a wiki page but I have been beaten to
>> it. I've expanded on the page to add links to all the resources being
>> discussed here. Page at:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
>>
>> *Rob*
>>
>> p.s. Big thank you to our wiki system admins who have now added the
>> VisualEditor to the wiki. This makes it much easier to edit the wiki so no
>> excuses for not keeping the pages up to date :-)
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