[Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?
Warin
61sundowner at gmail.com
Fri Feb 10 22:22:33 UTC 2017
On 11-Feb-17 07:42 AM, Brian Prangle wrote:
> I've removed the offending tags from areas I know well,having walked
> them off and on for 30 years,i.e Snowdon massif, Glyders and Berwyns.
> I've left the poylgons suitably commented.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 10:10, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com
> <mailto:sk53.osm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Despite the problems of these edits (incorrect tagging, bad
> polygons) more than anything they reflect that OSM as a project
> lacks good tags for many of these boreo-temperate upland features,
> and whilst that is true there will be always be someone abusing
> existing tags. I think most mappers remember the initial thrill of
> seeing changes come through on the main map style: for some people
> it's probably still a primary motivator.
>
> I therefore think Brian's suggestions of working collectively to
> map these areas better together with a more in-depth consideration
> of the relevant tagging is the way to go: and
> landuse=unimproved_grassland at the very least has the advantage
> of being correct.
>
Correct? Possibly in the present conceptual mess of OSM 'landuse'
(amongst others).
To me, "landuse' should be the human use to which the land is put. And
'unimproved_grassland' is not a use to me, 'wilderness' might be
substitute for 'unused' or 'unusable'?
I think that the tag 'landcover' is far better to use for tagging the
plants that cover the land.
> I have compared several location in Wales with my own photographs
> and the former CCW Phase 1 Habitat shape file, and acidic or
> neutral unimproved grassland is the classification of the majority
> of these locations. (I'm not sure of the status of this latter
> data: my copy is for private use only, but if it was released as
> Open Data it would be very useful. One word of caution the data
> was compiled over a long period and in some places will be
> out-of-date.)
>
> I'm always reluctant to delete stuff from OSM, unless it can be
> replaced by something better. Grassland tagging is a mess in OSM:
> let's use this as an opportunity to improve it for OSM in the UK.
>
> One last thing: I'm not very keen on calling people out on a
> public mailing list. The nature of OSM is that one knows nothing
> of many mappers (Frederik talked about this at SotM-14): there is
> always a risk of doing more than hurting their feelings.
>
In soccer (football to some) the saying is "Play the ball, not the man."
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> On 8 February 2017 at 21:46, Brian Prangle <bprangle at gmail.com
> <mailto:bprangle at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I came across glucosamine during the farmyards quarterly
> projectwhere she/he'd tagged place=farm to every group of
> isolated buildings all over Herefordshire. I think he/she
> means well just misinterprets tagging conventions and then
> rolls on regardless.
>
> Might we tackle this task under the general heading either of
> "landuse fixes" or "uplands" as our next quarterly project?
> That gives us some time to discuss approaches, conventions ,
> progress tools etc so that we can hit the ground running so to
> speak on day 1
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 8 February 2017 at 21:35, Richard Fairhurst
> <richard at systemed.net <mailto:richard at systemed.net>> wrote:
>
> Marco Boeringa wrote:
> > There may be more... All of these "users" are prolific,
> leave almost
> > no changeset comments, and seem to be editing all day.
> It seems
> > to me these are editors working professionally for some OSM
> > related company.
>
> Thanks for the detective work and for persisting with this.
>
> I think it's very unlikely, however, that these users are
> editing OSM for a
> company. Probably the majority of edits in the UK are done
> by what you might
> call "lone mappers". Generally this works well and people
> plough their own
> furrows successfully, happily modifying their practice if
> particular issues
> are pointed out to them. But occasionally we have people
> who (perhaps
> because of limited social skills) find it difficult to
> follow established
> practice and co-operate with other contributors. There
> have been several
> examples in the past and I'm sure many regulars here will
> be aware of a few
> of them.
>
> That's what I think we have here. I have no knowledge as
> to whether
> Glucosamine, Dyserth and Sam888 are the same person or not
> - it wouldn't
> surprise me either way. But they/he very much fit the
> "uncommunicative lone
> mapper" model.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
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