[Talk-GB] FWD: Re: High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

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Date: 1 Dec 2020, 11:23
From: ipswichmapper at tutanota.com
To: scolebourne at joda.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?


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> My experience is the oposite. It even listed housenumbers such as 12A. Checking google streetview shows they are correct.
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> It obviously depends, however.p.s. where are the oxted housenumbers? Osm.org doesn't display housenumbers in Oxted.
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> 1 Dec 2020, 09:58 by scolebourne at joda.org:
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>> As a side note to the legal aspect, the house numbers can be horribly
>> inaccurate. I compared Oxted to a ground survey, and the old map
>> simply numbered the houses consecutively, which isn't reality on the
>> ground. One possible explanation is that brand new estates (1940s)
>> were done this way, as the final house number hadn't yet been chosen.
>> Anyway, be careful when trusting these maps.
>>
>> Stephen
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>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 09:33, Ken Kilfedder <spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk> wrote:
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>>>
>>> SO,
>>>
>>> It turns out - we cannot use these images until the scanner's copyright expires at the end of next year.  Happily, it seems like there will be GB-wide coverage available at that point, not just the London-Southend-Brighton area.
>>>
>>> However, I have been happily using these images for a bit less than a year now, so I'm looking for advice on How to redact. I've tagged all the relevant changesets with the name of the TMS, so it should be possible.
>>>
>>> 1.  Is there an overpass syntax that would let me download (to JOSM) - all ways with addr:housenumber added or changed via a changeset with a certain source tag?  (and not updated by something else later)
>>> 2. Could I then wipe all such addr:housenumbers and re-upload?
>>> 3. Could I keep a JOSM session file around to reupload the addr:housenumbers once the scanner's copyright has elapsed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This has come to light thanks to IpswitchMapper's tireless efforts to set up a tasking manager for adding housenumber, and thank to Rob-from-OSMF's communications with NLS.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain
>>> spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk
>>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2020, at 10:55 AM, Ken Kilfedder wrote:
>>> > Hi Mark,
>>> >
>>> > If there is absolute confidence in that, can it be added to the wiki page here:
>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland
>>> >
>>> > And can it be added to the default set of old maps in JOSM?
>>> >
>>> > If it is available for use, not point in keeping it a secret.
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain
>>> > spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, at 6:47 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 30/10/2020 18:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Oct 30, 2020, 16:28 by talk-gb at openstreetmap.org:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >     It has come to my attention that the "Town Plan" map from 1944-1967
>>> > > >     in NLS is available freely.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > What are its licensing terms?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > "available freely" does not mean "compatible with OSM license"
>>> > >
>>> > > It's out of copyright, so there aren't any licensing issues in deriving
>>> > > data from it.
>>> > >
>>> > > I would, though, be a little reluctant to use it as a basis for
>>> > > wholesale numbering without any supporting local knowledge or survey.
>>> > > House numbers can, and sometimes do, change, particularly when streets
>>> > > are renamed or rebuilt. So you can't be 100% certain that a house number
>>> > > in the 1950s is the same number it is now, even if the building is still
>>> > > the same.
>>> > >
>>> > > Mark
>>> > >
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