[Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

Mon Sep 28 09:52:41 UTC 2020

Thanks for your replies,

Frederik thanks for your reply and advice as well. I know it comes from a
good place and from the experience of working on this project, which I
respect.

However, please allow me to humbly disagree with the overall message as I
think it makes some assumptions, generalizations and false dilemmas. Also
please take my comments on a constructive way

The fact that I am addressing this community to talk about a specific
proposal does not mean that my contribution to OSM will be limited to it.

Your comment seems to assume that the fix will be temporary and dismiss it
for it, but my idea is for this change to be a first baby step which
hopefully can evolve into a more permanent and recurrent process. By
dismissing the former because of its limited usage we are killing the later.

"Anyone consuming OSM data must be able to work with URLs that miss a
schema", from an engineering perspective we are introducing lots of
unnecessary work to the project ecosystem, especially consumers. A problem
that can be solved easily in origin is ignored and we force all consumers
to implement workaround independently potentially leading to
inconsistencies in how users see OSM data. I myself had to implement a
temporary workaround.

Another wrong assumption is that :website tags are only consumed by
browsers. This is definitely not the case.

Regarding the overhead and load in the database, I confess that I am not
quite familiar with the implications of an edit like that. Thanks for
pointing it out, I will definitely try to get more familiar with it

I have to disagree with your comment regarding the changes adding "no
meaninful information whatsoever". With a 22% of websites that can be
migrated to an https scheme and being http highly discouraged and
considered plainly unsafe by all major browsers, these changes will
positively impact end users and the owners of the amenities themselves.

You say that there are multiple better ways to contribute to OSM and this,
although it may be 100% true IMHO is a false dilemma. The fact that I am
proposing to fix an issue in the data does not imply my contribution will
end there.

Think for a second about the content of your message if who was reading it
was an impaired person who can't go outside with a notebook and browse pubs
around but rather has to stay at home with IT being their only way of
contribute to the project. This is not my case, but, did you know about it
beforehand?

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Rodrigo Díez Villamuera

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On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:28, Dave F via Talk-GB <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
wrote:

> On 27/09/2020 19:35, Andrew Hain wrote:
>
> Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline.
>
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't really do that. After a discussion with the
> developer I found out it tests whether a server in central Europe has a
> link to the UK URLs not if the actual link is current. I was coming across
> far too many time consuming false-positives for it to be useful.
>
> Anyone know if there's a way to at least use a UK based server or to
> conveniently ping multiple websites directly?
>
> DaveF
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
> *Sent:* 27 September 2020 18:49
> *To:* talk-gb at openstreetmap.org <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add
> missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites
>
> On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to
> thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!
>
> After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a
> contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.
>
> Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a
> proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community
> conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on the
> way. Be merciful! :P
>
> To the point now.
>
> I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub)
> for a pet project.
>
> When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a
> website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).
>
> Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or
> https://www.mypub.com
>
> This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website.
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website>
>
> I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these nodes
> to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the nodes.
>
> I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/rodrigodiez/Add_missing_URL_scheme_to_pub_websites_in_UK>
> .
>
> Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your
> feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here
>
> One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that they need checking
> to ensure they are still current.
>
> The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with customers is facebook.
>
> A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only pubs?.  is
> probably a maproulette quest.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
>
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