[Talk-GB] Mapping graveyards / church grounds

[Adam Hoyle (OSMUK)]

Hi All,

Thanks for the great responses, I will pass them all on.

The kirkburton site looks great, shame they haven’t used Open Street Map for their map, but there is a definite charm in the hand drawn maps.

The examples of big cemeteries are great (Washington DC, Paris and Highgate) as is the landuse=religious wiki page, which seems very thorough and should act as a good guide.

Findagrave.com also looks interesting - it seems to be started by an individual but now owned/operated by Ancestry.com with a lot of community feedback, so this could be a good additional place to put data (obviously I would encourage adding to openstreetmap first ;)). It seems to me, that if findagrave.com is a well known resource for grave yards that it would be useful to add the find a grave id to openstreetmap, but TagInfo seems to indicate that findagrave has only been referenced once - https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=findagrave#values - I presume an appropriate tag would be ref:findagrave, but is there a better tag, or a reason not to add the reference at all (or a better reference source)?

In terms of privacy or access etc, the family friend has been specifically commissioned by the parish and also has access to all of their records (or will have once pandemic eases and access is possible).

Best,

Adam
On 14 Feb 2021, 21:18 +0000, Steven Hirschorn <steven.hirschorn at gmail.com>, wrote:
> I also wondered about progressively mapping cemeteries previously, there are websites that allow people who live too far from a cemetery to request that someone locally take a photo of an ancestor's grave. My local cemeteries are labelled by area, but each area can contain dozens of graves. Mapping row numbers would massively simplify finding particular plots.
>
> eg
> https://www.findagrave.com/photo-request/search/cemetery/880537?sortBy=newest&searchRadius=5
>
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021, 19:48 Mark Goodge, <mark at good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 14/02/2021 16:29, David Woolley wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have come across graveyards that have no photography rules (the one in
> > > > question had a relatively famous grave), and I think others sell grave
> > > > catalogue information, so might not appreciate OSM mappers (they are
> > > > private property).
> > >
> > > Most graveyards and cemeteries belong either to the church they are
> > > associated with or the local authority (usually the parish council if
> > > there is one, otherwise the district or unitary authority). While
> > > technically private in the sense of not being dedicated as a public
> > > right of way, they are almost always open to access by the public - not
> > > least because the owners of individual burial plots have a right of
> > > access, and it would be impractical to restrict access to such people
> > > alone. So, provided you do it reasonably discreetly, and don't disturb
> > > people who are there to visit graves, I can't see any real objection to
> > > people accessing the site to help map it.
> > >
> > > (In fact, the legislation governing municipal cemeteries includes a
> > > clause prohibiting entry to a cemetery when it is closed to the public;
> > > the existence of that clause implies that, when not closed, it is open
> > > to the public!)
> > >
> > > A "no photography" rule is, usually, also about protecting the privacy
> > > of people visiting the graves of their friends and relatives. It's a
> > > location were people may well be in an emotional state (particularly if
> > > the grave is a recent one and they were close to its occupant), and the
> > > last thing they want is to end up in someone else's photo gallery.
> > >
> > > As for selling catalogue information, that's usually made available for
> > > the benefit of visitors to the graveyard and the cost is merely a way to
> > > defray the expenses incurred in maintaining the catalogue (and, if it's
> > > supplied on paper, the printing and materials costs). It's rarely a
> > > profit-making exercise. So they may well welcome the work of volunteer
> > > mappers who would be producing data that can be used in a catalogue.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
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