[Talk-GB] Mapping graveyards / church grounds

[Colin Spiller]

One final entry from me. St Helens Council have an excellent resource 
for searching their cemetery records at 
https://www.sthelens.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-marriages/deaths-funerals-and-cremation/deceased-search

There are maps of the two graveyards covered but it's only a plan of the 
sections - no specific grave locations.

Colin


On 15/02/2021 14:57, Adam Hoyle (OSMUK) via Talk-GB wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Thanks for the great responses, I will pass them all on.
>
> The kirkburton site looks great, shame they haven’t used Open Street 
> Map for their map, but there is a definite charm in the hand drawn maps.
>
> The examples of big cemeteries are great (Washington DC, Paris and 
> Highgate) as is the landuse=religious wiki page, which seems very 
> thorough and should act as a good guide.
>
> Findagrave.com also looks interesting - it seems to be started by an 
> individual but now owned/operated by Ancestry.com with a lot of 
> community feedback, so this could be a good additional place to put 
> data (obviously I would encourage adding to openstreetmap first ;)). 
> It /seems/ to me, that if findagrave.com is a well known resource for 
> grave yards that it would be useful to add the find a grave id to 
> openstreetmap, but TagInfo seems to indicate that findagrave has only 
> been referenced once - 
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=findagrave#values - I 
> presume an appropriate tag would be ref:findagrave, but is there a 
> better tag, or a reason not to add the reference at all (or a better 
> reference source)?
>
> In terms of privacy or access etc, the family friend has been 
> specifically commissioned by the parish and also has access to all of 
> their records (or will have once pandemic eases and access is possible).
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
> On 14 Feb 2021, 21:18 +0000, Steven Hirschorn 
> <steven.hirschorn at gmail.com>, wrote:
>> I also wondered about progressively mapping cemeteries previously, 
>> there are websites that allow people who live too far from a cemetery 
>> to request that someone locally take a photo of an ancestor's grave. 
>> My local cemeteries are labelled by area, but each area can contain 
>> dozens of graves. Mapping row numbers would massively simplify 
>> finding particular plots.
>>
>> eg
>> https://www.findagrave.com/photo-request/search/cemetery/880537?sortBy=newest&searchRadius=5
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021, 19:48 Mark Goodge, <mark at good-stuff.co.uk 
>> <mailto:mark at good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 14/02/2021 16:29, David Woolley wrote:
>>
>>     > I have come across graveyards that have no photography rules
>>     (the one in
>>     > question had a relatively famous grave), and I think others
>>     sell grave
>>     > catalogue information, so might not appreciate OSM mappers
>>     (they are
>>     > private property).
>>
>>     Most graveyards and cemeteries belong either to the church they are
>>     associated with or the local authority (usually the parish council if
>>     there is one, otherwise the district or unitary authority). While
>>     technically private in the sense of not being dedicated as a public
>>     right of way, they are almost always open to access by the public
>>     - not
>>     least because the owners of individual burial plots have a right of
>>     access, and it would be impractical to restrict access to such people
>>     alone. So, provided you do it reasonably discreetly, and don't
>>     disturb
>>     people who are there to visit graves, I can't see any real
>>     objection to
>>     people accessing the site to help map it.
>>
>>     (In fact, the legislation governing municipal cemeteries includes a
>>     clause prohibiting entry to a cemetery when it is closed to the
>>     public;
>>     the existence of that clause implies that, when not closed, it is
>>     open
>>     to the public!)
>>
>>     A "no photography" rule is, usually, also about protecting the
>>     privacy
>>     of people visiting the graves of their friends and relatives. It's a
>>     location were people may well be in an emotional state
>>     (particularly if
>>     the grave is a recent one and they were close to its occupant),
>>     and the
>>     last thing they want is to end up in someone else's photo gallery.
>>
>>     As for selling catalogue information, that's usually made
>>     available for
>>     the benefit of visitors to the graveyard and the cost is merely a
>>     way to
>>     defray the expenses incurred in maintaining the catalogue (and,
>>     if it's
>>     supplied on paper, the printing and materials costs). It's rarely a
>>     profit-making exercise. So they may well welcome the work of
>>     volunteer
>>     mappers who would be producing data that can be used in a catalogue.
>>
>>     Mark
>>
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Colin Spiller
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