[Talk-GB] Historic England - tagging guidelines - can we agree on the English usage

[Tony Shield]

Having started this discussion may I summarise and then outline what 
actions I propose to perform unless there are objections.

I intend to change the HE entries I have added over the last year or so 
to conform to this agreed scheme on a case by case basis - no mechanical 
edit.

If people want a mechanical edit I will assist if I can.

Wiki sites

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:heritage

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref

Summary

The preferred operator is of the form

heritage:operator=Historic England
heritage:operator=Cadw
heritage:operator=Historic Environment Scotland
heritage:operator=Northern Ireland Environment Agency

The preferred references are of the form

ref:he=12345
ref:hs=LB2345
ref:cadw=34567
ref:niea=55643

as defined in the Key:heritage.

The country namespaced version  ref:GB:he has merit and I can see has a 
definition for Austria, China, Hong Kong but with lower case country 
codes; I will not change to this format without further discussion.

Proposal

1. Change the Key:heritage page to use the full name rather than the 
abbreviated names.

2. Change the Key:listed_status page to remove the HE_ref references, 
also change the operator references to conform with 1 above, list tags 
which are relevant to a complete listing e.g. url of HE, operator of the 
site, start_date of the building.

3. Modify the Key:HE_ref page to indicate this is deprecated and the 
style of Key:heritage is preferred.

Regards

Tony (TonyS999)

On 21/07/2021 13:15, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> I also think that full name should be used for 
> heritage:operator=Historic England
>
> I would like refs to be GB namespaced.... ref:GB:he, ref:GB:hs, 
> ref:GB:cadw, ref:GB:niea
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM Mark Goodge <mark at good-stuff.co.uk 
> <mailto:mark at good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On 21/07/2021 11:51, Tony Shield wrote:
>     > -------------------------------------------
>     >
>     > There is clear conflict between heritage:operator with values of
>     > Historic England and he.
>     >
>     > References are using the tags HE_ref or ref:he with the same value.
>     >
>     > Data Integrity suggests using one method of tagging and having the
>     > documentation clear about which tagging to use.
>     >
>     > Can we discuss with a view to agreeing one method - the Global
>     heritage
>     > style or the UK listed status style?
>
>     My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that the value of
>     heritage:operator should be the normal English name, not an
>     abbreviation. So
>
>     heritage:operator=Historic England
>     heritage:operator=Cadw
>     heritage:operator=Historic Environment Scotland
>     heritage:operator=Northern Ireland Environment Agency
>
>     but the ref tag should follow the global pattern, rather than
>     creating
>     new tags, and use abbreviations. So, for example:
>
>     ref:he=12345
>     ref:hs=LB2345
>     ref:cadw=34567
>     ref:niea=55643
>
>     This makes for consistency and better machine reading of the data,
>     while
>     preserving human readability of tag values.
>
>     Mark
>
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