[Talk-GB] LiDAR in the UK

[Owen Boswarva]

I've posted a list of the open sources for UK LiDAR data that I'm aware of:
https://www.owenboswarva.com/blog/post-dd1.htm.

I think the main source currently missing from the OSM wiki page
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/LiDAR_sources_for_the_United_Kingdom>
is the Scottish Government's Remote Sensing Portal
<https://remotesensingdata.gov.scot/data#/list>.

Owen


On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 20:37, Owen Boswarva <owen.boswarva at gmail.com> wrote:

I don't have any more up-to-date information about licensing of the NI
> data, but I agree with the comments from Jerry and Rob.
>
> All of the LiDAR datasets available on the OpenDataNI site at
> https://www.opendatani.gov.uk/dataset?tags=LIDAR are available for re-use
> under the Open Government Licence, with only standard attribution
> requirements.
>
> For the LIDAR - Belfast City 2006 data, the required attribution statement
> seems to be: "Belfast City LIDAR is provided by the Department for
> Infrastructure (Rivers) with the permission of the copyright owner, Cyient
> Europe Limited, and licensed under the Open Government Licence v3.0".
>
> For the other datasets, there is no attribution statement specified, so
> the fallback is the standard wording from the OGL. However, in the
> interests of making the provenance transparent, I would probably add the
> name of the publishing organisation, e.g.
> "Contains public sector information [from Land & Property Services (LPS)]
> licensed under the Open Government Licence v3.0."
>
> Owen
>
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 19:48, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Historically there have always been some attribution & other usage
>> restrictions with data from Land and Property Services. It's several years
>> since I last used any of this data in earnest, but at some point OSM-IE
>> were having quite detailed discussions about making some of them usable by
>> OSM (e.g., road names), but at least for map data there's probably an
>> element of keeping in step with OSI as well.
>>
>> In general then, I'd tend to exercise extra care over some of this data,
>> and statements such as this one "attribution statement noted in ‘River
>> Basin LIDAR - Belfast City- Note.pdf’, acknowledging Cyient Europe Ltd,
>> must be included" (the actual text in that document under "attribution
>> statement" doesn't appear to be one). A quick scan over the other Lidar
>> datasets suggests they have fewer potential gotchas, but the DSMs are
>> really quite old. One good use case would be mapping streams through
>> woodland (most of the interesting remaining woods in NI are in incised
>> river valleys).
>>
>> Owen Boswarva may be a bit more up-to-date on the status of geospatial
>> Open Data in Northern Ireland.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 18:12, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the NI attribution text: I'm reading this as simply the
>>> statement that they'd like you to use. This is entirely in line with the
>>> OGL licence (which we know is good for use in OSM) as the OGL reads:
>>>
>>> *"If the Information Provider does not provide a specific attribution
>>> statement, you must use the following:*
>>>
>>> * Contains public sector information licensed under the Open Government
>>> Licence v3.0."*
>>>
>>> So yeah, in my view it's just giving the "specific attribution
>>> statement" and not altering the normal OGL with extra restrictions.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Rob
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