[Talk-GB] OS "standard map" and use of OSM ways marked private

[Jass Kurn]

Hi Jez,

Thanks for the quick response, and I am happy to hear this may be resolved
in the future by Mapbox.

Also, thankyou for giving up your own time while undertaking the task of
attempting to get a resolution for this issue.

Jass

On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 at 15:47, Jez Nicholson <jez at osmuk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jass,
>
> In my role as a Director of OSMUK I have been in contact with the product
> manager of the OS Standard Map app.
>
> They were both aware of the problem and keen to prevent it, with the
> proviso that their application solely uses Mapbox layers and styling.
>
> The footpaths layer in Mapbox Streets is neither attributed with 'access'
> nor split into separate permitted/private layers, so a developer is unable
> to tell whether there is an access restriction.
>
> OS have made requests through their Mapbox account handler, and Mapbox
> have plans to include access restrictions....but the question is whether
> and when plans become reality.
>
> We wait in hope.
>
> BTW, whilst I'm here, this is the kind of task an OSMUK Director does.
> That, and a 1hr call on 1st Monday of the month 7:40-8:30. We rotate 2
> Directors each year to get in new blood and ideas. It is what you make of
> it. All UK mappers should consider giving it a go. Email the OSMUK board if
> it could be you.
>
> Regards,
>               Jez
>
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2022, 15:02 Jass Kurn, <jasskurn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Back in April this year, there was a discussion here about
>> Ordnance Survey and issues with their use of OSM data. OS has a free map
>> that is sourcing, via Mapbox, footway/path/track data from OSM, but
>> ignoring access restrictions. Resulting in OS app users going down ways
>> which OSM tags access=no/private/destination.
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2022-April/028875.html
>>
>> Noticed yesterday that OS are updating their "free" map, but the access
>> issues are still there. This free map is called "Standard Map". OS state
>> "Standard Map is our free map layer which can be used by people all around
>> the world to help them get outside." Links to the existing map, and a link
>> to page with new version are below
>>
>> Current Map - OSmaps Explore
>> <https://explore.osmaps.com/?lat=54.449073&lon=-3.054940&zoom=12.9284&overlays=&style=Standard&type=2d&placesCategory=>
>>
>> Upcoming Version - OSmaps Standard Map - update news
>> <https://osmaps.com/standard-map>
>>
>> OS appears to be adding several types of data from OSM but I don't have
>> the capability to work them all out. (e.g. footways, paths, tracks, park
>> names & viewpoints) and I have noted they don't show highway=steps leading
>> to misleading gaps in footways/paths. In the new map they appear to remove
>> all OS path data, relying entirely on OSM
>>
>> I believe this new/newer "Standard Map"could become popular in the
>> UK, and not just for walkers. It looks better, and has good detail, and POI
>> layers. But... the issue with the poor use of OSM data still remains. The
>> map still appears not to engage with the existence of the OSM access tag. I
>> am concerned issues with the public going down private ways will increase,
>> and that OS will refer the public to OSM stating it's an OSM issue. Did
>> anybody reach out to OS at the time of the last discussion, and was there
>> any response?
>>
>> Jass
>>
>>
>>
>>
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