[Talk-GB] Edits being made by a National Trust GIS team member

[Timothy Noname]

My main objection to these changes is that they are using identical generic
changeset comments over large areas with a large number of edits. I've got
no idea what has been changed and I am not skilled enough in the many
changeset tools to check the quality of the edits in my area.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, 21:07 Brian Prangle, <bprangle at gmail.com> wrote:

> " I want to spend my OSM time contributing improvements to the OSM
> database, not chasing up contributors who really should know better."
>
> *So do the first bit and drop the second. *
> Let others who are more patient take up that challenge
> Everyone starts out here as a newbie (even GIS professionals who find OSM
> methods strange) and we should be handholding and encouraging and
> teaching,  not berating them.
> Constant criticism, with negative judgments and high expectations  that
> they'll get everything right first time only serve to demotivate people and
> drive them away.
> A lot of work by OSMUK directors went into persuading NT to use OSM, we
> need to be patient and engage with them positively by welcoming their
> involvement and not undo all that good work.
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 19:19, Dave F via Talk-GB <
> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Question to all: Are there other GIS members of the NT contributing to
>> OSM?
>>
>>
>> On 12/02/2023 17:21, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>> > I for one and extremely proud to have an organisation on the level of
>> > the National Trust using OSM. It is a huge stamp of approval for our
>> > project
>>
>> Great, I suppose, but unsure how that improves the quality of the OSM
>> database.
>>
>> > over other *ahem* national mapping providers.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the problem.
>>
>> >
>> > They engaged here a number of times, talked with OSMUK,
>>
>> How? Where? It doesn't appears to have borne fruit.
>>
>> > and presented at State of the Map. COVID lockdown slowed momentum but
>> > now they are reinvigorated.
>>
>> Again, irrelevant.
>>
>> >
>> > Their rangers are being introduced to mapping through some shared
>> > guidelines, but, like all individuals, they will occasionally make
>> > mistakes or even not map as you would.
>>
>> If it were an "individual occasionally making mistakes" I wouldn't have
>> posted.
>>
>> The NT are meant to be a *professional* organisation. A *GIS* team
>> member should have at least the /basic/ comprehension of cartography. I
>> can't speak for all of the NT employee's contributions, but the
>> changeset I mentioned has gone beyond the realms of newbie accidental
>> changes into concerted, deliberate changes - PROWs were knowingly removed.
>>
>> > They've looked at path mapping in detail and will take on board any
>> > comments and adjust accordingly.
>>
>> How do you know that? Has someone from the NT GIS team been in contact
>> with you, or are you a GIS team member?
>>
>> >
>> > As you all know, there is never a perfect set of OSM tags and the
>> > world gets messier the closer you look at it.
>>
>> Again the amendments go beyond that.
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> I want to spend my OSM time contributing improvements to the OSM
>> database, not chasing up contributors who really should know better.
>>
>> DaveF
>>
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