[Talk-GB] Edits being made by a National Trust GIS team member

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I think others have said this, but my understanding is that typical NT
edits will be made by local rangers and possibly volunteers,
perhaps with some support from the GIS team. The whole point of the project
is that the NT does not have a digital database of
all the paths, tracks and roads on or crossing their estate.

This was certainly the pre-covid intention described in talks at OSM-UK's
AGM and
at SotM-19 in Heidelberg. NT staff put a lot of work together with OSM-UK
in developing tagging guidelines which met their needs
and respected current OSM usage. Some of the things found in initial work
were very interesting: footpaths misaligned on the
definitive map, but accurate on OSM was one that stood out. Other issues
were PRoW which traverse ground of high conservation value
(e.g., nesting moorland birds, delicate vegetation) and how to map these
validly and at the same time encourage use of alternatives with
lower impact.

John Stanworth and I attended a workshop for NT rangers & volunteers at
Clumber Park in November 2019. The workshop was led
by members of the GIS team. We did a bit of advocacy for mapping stiles
etc. (with a particular focus on disabled access) and John
showed how he used GoMap for mapping footpaths. Obviously, Covid has
severely disrupted these original plans, both in time
and the severe financial constraints imposed by a lack of income at many
properties over the past 3 years.

Recent NT edits at Clumber Park are clearly by someone with a great deal of
detailed knowledge of the estate.. Certainly better than mine,
which was partially informed by tramping around Clumber looking for fungi
along with one of the then wardens. Clumber also includes at least one
public road (Lime Tree Avenue), but others which are not, although they may
at first glance appear so (e.g., Clumber Lane).

Jerry

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 19:19, Dave F via Talk-GB <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
wrote:

>
> Question to all: Are there other GIS members of the NT contributing to OSM?
>
>
> On 12/02/2023 17:21, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > I for one and extremely proud to have an organisation on the level of
> > the National Trust using OSM. It is a huge stamp of approval for our
> > project
>
> Great, I suppose, but unsure how that improves the quality of the OSM
> database.
>
> > over other *ahem* national mapping providers.
>
> Irrelevant to the problem.
>
> >
> > They engaged here a number of times, talked with OSMUK,
>
> How? Where? It doesn't appears to have borne fruit.
>
> > and presented at State of the Map. COVID lockdown slowed momentum but
> > now they are reinvigorated.
>
> Again, irrelevant.
>
> >
> > Their rangers are being introduced to mapping through some shared
> > guidelines, but, like all individuals, they will occasionally make
> > mistakes or even not map as you would.
>
> If it were an "individual occasionally making mistakes" I wouldn't have
> posted.
>
> The NT are meant to be a *professional* organisation. A *GIS* team
> member should have at least the /basic/ comprehension of cartography. I
> can't speak for all of the NT employee's contributions, but the
> changeset I mentioned has gone beyond the realms of newbie accidental
> changes into concerted, deliberate changes - PROWs were knowingly removed.
>
> > They've looked at path mapping in detail and will take on board any
> > comments and adjust accordingly.
>
> How do you know that? Has someone from the NT GIS team been in contact
> with you, or are you a GIS team member?
>
> >
> > As you all know, there is never a perfect set of OSM tags and the
> > world gets messier the closer you look at it.
>
> Again the amendments go beyond that.
>
> ---------
>
> I want to spend my OSM time contributing improvements to the OSM
> database, not chasing up contributors who really should know better.
>
> DaveF
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