[Talk-GB] “No path”

[Edward Catmur]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 17:30, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 2023-01-08 at 13:48 +0000, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 13:37, Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I completely agree with regard to beach sections of LDPs, such
> > > ashttps://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/400098#map=12/-35.0135/117
> > > .2243 (in Western Australia)
> > > andhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3285170#map=14/51.5619/-4
> > > .1443&layers=H (South Wales).  The latter has got all the Wales
> > > Coast Path signage in it that I could find in that area; I couldn't
> > > find any on the beach itself.  The former has occasional signage at
> > > best.
> > > > The same happens in pasture where there is a right of way and
> > > > entry/exit stiles or kissing gates. The route taken by walkers
> > > > varies to avoid wet bits and to go around where livestock is
> > > > grazing at the time
> > > If the exit from a field is obvious (e.g. gate visible at the far
> > > side) I probably wouldn't mark it as a low trail_visibility, as
> > > it's obvious where you need to go.  It's not like
> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/820162969 , where the sign that
> > > you're aiming for is far enough not to be visible from the other
> > > end.
> > >
> >
> > That depends on conditions, does it not? A gate that is obvious on a
> > clear, sunny day may be a challenge to find at night or in fog.
>
> I do map trees in hedge lines which can be used to guide walkers
> towards the next gate or stile, especially useful if its over the brow
> of a hill.
>

Ah, very good. I'm not sure how often those are rendered on the sorts of
maps walkers are likely to be using.

>
> > I guess you could argue that a foot-worn trail that's obvious on the
> > ground in summer may be obscured by snow from time to time. But that
> > feels different somehow.
>
> Rural rights of way over pasture very rarely have a worn trail, unless
> they are in a tourist area or are a local hotspot they will rarely see
> enough walkers for a foot worn trail to develop. Walkers tend to take
> subtly different routes which will vary based on where livestock is at
> the time.
>

I meant out on the fell, especially once you move up above the heather
line. The Cairngorm plateau in particular can feel a very different place
under snow, as none of the usual lines are visible underfoot any more.
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