[Talk-GB] Static caravan or chalet? Possible language issue?

[Chris Hodges]

I'm wary of caravan_site for sites that only have statics, as it's 
ambiguous - it can also mean a site for touring caravans (and 
motorhomes, which I have). But a chalet is not a site - a chalet is 
closer to an individual static caravan.  So tourism=chalet for the whole 
park is wrong, and tourism=caravan_site may be the best option.


A couple of points I'd to clarify - I don't think they would affect the 
conclusion but they're worth mentioning just in case:

Services to every static I've ever stayed in also include water and 
sewage.  That makes moving them around a little harder. Having no 
bottled gas (an all electric setup) is more likely than no water, though 
I haven't seen that in the UK where we're more likely to need heating

Yes, Haven and Parkdean tend to only have statics and similar, but most 
sites that have a lot of statics also take touring units, so it's not 
really "a few" that have some facilities.


On 19/02/2024 12:29, James Derrick wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> A couple of Haven "holiday park" resorts have been re-tagged from 
> `tourism=caravan_site` to `tourism=chalet` with a specific note which 
> makes me wonder if there is a language issue around the meaning of 
> `caravan` and `caravan_site` in Europe verses the UK?
>
> I've added a changeset note asking for the logic behind the change, 
> and inviting the mapper to discuss with the UK community as their 
> history seems to contain a lot of caravan site changes across Europe.
>
>
> Operators like Havon and Parkdean Resorts rent out static caravans on 
> both weekly and multi-year contracts.
>
> The sites have only service blocks as permanent buildings with the 
> customer "dwellings" all static caravans with wheels. These caravans 
> are moved every few years as pitch rentals are updated and owners move 
> their leased / owned caravans (a friend used to drive the tractors to 
> perform these moves). Services are bottled gas, WLAN, and plug-in 
> electricity to allow these moves.
>
>
> The sites in NE England are tagged as tourism=caravan_site which fits 
> as the "dwellings" are all static caravans with wheels. I can see a 
> confusion as not all sites allow touring caravans or motor homes (i.e. 
> customers who travel and bring their own kit, rather than lease/hire a 
> caravan with bed linen), so extra tagging might be useful:
>
> caravans = no        (no touring caravans - a few have some facilities)
> tents = no        (no tent camping - a few have some facilities)
> motorhome_stopover = no    (no motorhomes = RVs - a few have some 
> facilities, not like European "aires")
> static_caravans = only        (where caravans/ tents/ 
> motorhome_stopover = no)
> permanent_camping = only    (where caravans/ tents/ motorhome_stopover 
> = no)
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=caravan_site
>
>
> These locations don't have permanent customer buildings, so the 
> tourism=chalet which has been added doesn't fit my understanding:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=chalet
>
>
> *Could this be a cultural / language issue with the perception of 
> "caravans" != "static_caravans" ?*
>
> Do you think a chalet is a permanent building?
>
> *What do you think is best in the UK context please?*
>
>
> I've seen some sites (e.g. around Midlands canals) with permanent 
> residents living in static_caravans, but the Parkdean / Haven 
> locations don't have residential planning permission (10 months max 
> occupation with complete mandatory Winter closures) so aren't 
> residential=trailer_park .
>
> A very few sites have "log cabins" (e.g. a corner of Haggerston Castle 
> way 905745175), which seen to be semi-permanent structures from 
> static_caravan manufacturers screwed together on foundations - but 
> even then, these seem to be more cabins=yes in the UK context, rather 
> than tourism=chalet as these are only semi-permanent. Basically, 
> larger, more expensive static_caravans with the wheels and sub-frame 
> unscrewed!
>
> Happy Mapping,
>
>
> James
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