[Talk-hu] Entrance signs - ref, addr:flats, ref:signed=no tags
Mateusz Konieczny
matkoniecz at tutanota.com
2022. Jún. 30., Cs, 11:35:51 UTC
To confirm things:
Lets say there is:
> ???? Street 4-6. Building A, Staircase A
with entrance=main that is without addr:housenumber
Would it be acceptable to add ref=A to entrance=main in such case?
Or would it be considered as invalid/unwanted?
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1419165875
So in Hungary staircase code is considered as part of a housenumber?
In all cases? Only same?
(for example in Poland it would not be)
29 cze 2022, 19:24 od attila at attilakundev.com:
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> Hi Mateusz & others,
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> As far as I know, yes, there are actually seperate "staircase letters".
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> I'm going to cite this article from > https://masodikkerulet.hu/archiv/cimkezelesi-eljarassal-kapcsolatos-kozzetetel-2> :
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> "The correct addressing would be this:
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> 1024 Budapest, Káplár utca 4-6. A épület, A, B, C, D lépcsőház, B épület A, B, C lépcsőház
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> 1024 Budapest, Fillér utca 8-12. A, B, C, D lépcsőház"
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> Based upon this, yes this thing exists.
> Based on that: 1024 Budapest, Káplár utca 4-6. A épület, A lépcsőház.
> = 1024 Budapest, Káplár Street 4-6. Building A, Staircase A
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> But there are other examples as well. Like at Örs vezér tere (Fehér út), there is a big office building, which has two staircases: Staircase A and staircase B.
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> You would see such things like "> Fehér út 1. B. lph.", lph is the abbreviation of lépcsőház (staircase)
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> Hopefully my explanation is useful.
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> BR,
> Attila
> On 2022. 06. 29. 12:02, Feri Veres wrote:
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>> Hi Mateusz,
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>> Earlier I've mapped many big buildings as explained in this comment, but as I can see them on the map, they had the "staircase letter" as>> part of their house number>> . So no special addr:unit or other tag was needed. Or every normal entrance had their own house number. Examples:
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>> New building: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1541562620
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>> Old building: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1419165875>> (I make such address nodes part of the building line.)
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>> (The comment refers to both old and new - so in this area at Budapest these are not numbered as the comment explains. However I can imagine such house. In that case I would mark the building outline with the number (Address) and the entrances just>> entrance=* + ref=* >> maybe.)
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>> Another city, same style: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6703947891
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>> I have not seen such "range of flats" marked, as in original question. I didn't answer because I don't know if they exist anywhere in Hungary. >> Then how could anybody say such houses do not exist?>> :-) But if they are rare, I think this is not a good "question" in StreetComplete. I do not remember seeing or mapping such "rage of flats" ever.
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>> Best regards,
>> Feri
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>> 2022. 06. 29. 9:16 keltezéssel, Mateusz Konieczny írta:
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>>> interesting, based on
>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3064#issuecomment-1159088130
>>> I enabled this quest in Hungary
>>>
>>> They mentioned staircase designators, so I enabled it.
>>>
>>> if this quest will turn out to be mistake here, then I will disable it.
>>>
>>> Is addr:unit tagged on entrance=staircase? Or on address nodes?
>>> Or on something else?
>>>
>>> 28 cze 2022, 12:29 od >>> gabor.babos at gmail.com>>> :
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>>>> Hello Mateusz,
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>>>> sorry for the late answer. Though I do not live in an area with big block houses, as far as I know flat numbers are not written outside on buildings in Hungary.
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>>>> Staircases are often numbered and visible also from the street but for them >>>> addr:unit <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Detailed_subkeys>>>>> tags are used.
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>>>> Maybe others with more experience will correct me.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gábor Babos
>>>>
>>>> Mateusz Konieczny <>>>> matkoniecz at tutanota.com>>>> > ezt írta (időpont: 2022. jún. 16., Cs, 16:24):
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>>>>> Hello and sorry for writing in English. I am implementing something in StreetComplete
>>>>> and I want to ask is it something that should be enabled in Hungary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it typical that entrance in an apartment with multiple entrance will have:
>>>>>
>>>>> - signed range of flats, for example addr:flats=81-94 on entrance to
>>>>> staircase with flats 81 to 94
>>>>> and/or
>>>>> - ref=VI on entrance to staircase with code VI
>>>>>
>>>>> Example from Poland: >>>>> https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0202346,19.9033715,3a,42.4y,202.36h,95.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxM7gDCmkjQPWpvJaXWIG9A!2e0!5s20140601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
>>>>>
>>>>> I am asking as I am unsure whether this quest should be enabled in your area or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would result in tagging ref or addr:flats or ref and addr:flats or ref:signed=no
>>>>> on entrances of building=apartments which have more than one tagged
>>>>> entrance=main or entrance=staircase
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, work on this is tracked in
>>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3064
>>>>>
>>>>> Pull requests is at
>>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/4066
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be enabled in Poland, Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be not enabled in Kosovo, Serbia, Lithuania, Slovakia and Czech Republic
>>>>> as such signs are not in use there.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have some feedback about StreetComplete - the best place to report it is >>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues>>>>> but you can also ping me in this thread for next few days.
>>>>>
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