[Talk-hu] Entrance signs - ref, addr:flats, ref:signed=no tags

2022. Jún. 30., Cs, 19:26:53 UTC

Would it be acceptable to add ref=A to entrance=main in such case?

Probably, but *only *in that case. if it's something like 15/c then we 
have to keep that address.

What I mentioned was in special cases.

However I want the opinion of vasony or vmiklos because they know the 
addressing structures well (vasony usually repairs wrong addresses, 
vmiklos has a project for missing addresses 
(https://osm-gimmisn.vmiklos.hu/osm) that we need to look for)

On 2022. 06. 30. 13:35, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> To confirm things:
>
> Lets say there is:
>
> > ???? Street 4-6. Building A, Staircase A
>
> with entrance=main that is without addr:housenumber
>
> Would it be acceptable to add ref=A to entrance=main in such case?
>
> Or would it be considered as invalid/unwanted?
>
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1419165875
>
> So in Hungary staircase code is considered as part of a housenumber?
> In all cases? Only same?
>
> (for example in Poland it would not be)
>
> 29 cze 2022, 19:24 od attila at attilakundev.com:
>
>     Hi Mateusz & others,
>
>     As far as I know, yes, there are actually seperate "staircase
>     letters".
>
>     I'm going to cite this article from
>     https://masodikkerulet.hu/archiv/cimkezelesi-eljarassal-kapcsolatos-kozzetetel-2
>     :
>
>     "The correct addressing would be this:
>
>     *1024 Budapest, Káplár utca 4-6. A épület, A, B, C, D lépcsőház, B
>     épület A, B, C lépcsőház*
>
>     *1024 Budapest, Fillér utca 8-12. A, B, C, D lépcsőház"*
>
>     Based upon this, yes this thing exists.
>     Based on that: 1024 Budapest, Káplár utca 4-6. A épület, A lépcsőház.
>     = 1024 Budapest, Káplár Street 4-6. Building A, Staircase A
>     But there are other examples as well. Like at Örs vezér tere
>     (Fehér út), there is a big office building, which has two
>     staircases: Staircase A and staircase B.
>
>     You would see such things like "Fehér út 1. B. lph.", lph is the
>     abbreviation of lépcsőház (staircase)
>
>     Hopefully my explanation is useful.
>
>     BR,
>     Attila
>
>     On 2022. 06. 29. 12:02, Feri Veres wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Mateusz,
>>
>>     Earlier I've mapped many big buildings as explained in this
>>     comment, but as I can see them on the map, they had the
>>     "staircase letter" as*part of their house number*. So no special
>>     addr:unit or other tag was needed. Or every normal entrance had
>>     their own house number. Examples:
>>
>>     New building: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1541562620
>>
>>     Old building: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1419165875 (I
>>     make such address nodes part of the building line.)
>>
>>     (The comment refers to both old and new - so in this area at
>>     Budapest these are not numbered as the comment explains. However
>>     I can imagine such house. In that case I would mark the building
>>     outline with the number (Address) and the entrances
>>     just*entrance=* + ref=* *maybe.)
>>
>>     Another city, same style:
>>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6703947891
>>
>>     I have not seen such "range of flats" marked, as in original
>>     question. I didn't answer because I don't know if they exist
>>     anywhere in Hungary. *Then how could anybody say such houses do
>>     not exist?* :-) But if they are rare, I think this is not a good
>>     "question" in StreetComplete. I do not remember seeing or mapping
>>     such "rage of flats" ever.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>     Feri
>>     2022. 06. 29. 9:16 keltezéssel, Mateusz Konieczny írta:
>>>     interesting, based on
>>>     https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3064#issuecomment-1159088130
>>>     I enabled this quest in Hungary
>>>
>>>     They mentioned staircase designators, so I enabled it.
>>>
>>>     if this quest will turn out to be mistake here, then I will
>>>     disable it.
>>>
>>>     Is addr:unit tagged on entrance=staircase? Or on address nodes?
>>>     Or on something else?
>>>
>>>     28 cze 2022, 12:29 od gabor.babos at gmail.com:
>>>
>>>         Hello Mateusz,
>>>
>>>         sorry for the late answer. Though I do not live in an area
>>>         with big block houses, as far as I know flat numbers are not
>>>         written outside on buildings in Hungary.
>>>
>>>         Staircases are often numbered and visible also from the
>>>         street but for them addr:unit
>>>         <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr#Detailed_subkeys>
>>>         tags are used.
>>>
>>>         Maybe others with more experience will correct me.
>>>
>>>         Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>         /Gábor Babos/
>>>
>>>         Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com> ezt írta
>>>         (időpont: 2022. jún. 16., Cs, 16:24):
>>>
>>>             Hello and sorry for writing in English. I am
>>>             implementing something in StreetComplete
>>>             and I want to ask is it something that should be enabled
>>>             in Hungary.
>>>
>>>             Is it typical that entrance in an apartment with
>>>             multiple entrance will have:
>>>
>>>             - signed range of flats, for example addr:flats=81-94 on
>>>             entrance to
>>>             staircase with flats 81 to 94
>>>             and/or
>>>             - ref=VI on entrance to staircase with code VI
>>>
>>>             Example from Poland:
>>>             https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0202346,19.9033715,3a,42.4y,202.36h,95.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxM7gDCmkjQPWpvJaXWIG9A!2e0!5s20140601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
>>>
>>>             I am asking as I am unsure whether this quest should be
>>>             enabled in your area or not.
>>>
>>>             It would result in tagging ref or addr:flats or ref and
>>>             addr:flats or ref:signed=no
>>>             on entrances of building=apartments which have more than
>>>             one tagged
>>>             entrance=main or entrance=staircase
>>>
>>>             For reference, work on this is tracked in
>>>             https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3064
>>>
>>>             Pull requests is at
>>>             https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/4066
>>>
>>>             It will be enabled in Poland, Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine,
>>>             Belarus, Estonia.
>>>
>>>             It will be not enabled in Kosovo, Serbia, Lithuania,
>>>             Slovakia and Czech Republic
>>>             as such signs are not in use there.
>>>
>>>             If you have some feedback about StreetComplete - the
>>>             best place to report it is
>>>             https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues
>>>             but you can also ping me in this thread for next few days.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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