[Talk-il] Mapping conventions

[Eli Hadad]

Hi Yuri and Tal

I assume the discussion on the conventions for tagging roads will continue
in a different thread.
Anyhow I see you both prefer that the name should include prefix such as
"רחוב" etc (also know that Moshe use this convention), though I prefer to
have it in different tag, we can start by adding such prefix in Hebrew and
pstfix in English to the name and name:he tags.

For consistency we need to finalize the list of them before starting this
change, at least in my mapping.
I think that in English we should use the english names for the road type:
like Street and not Rehov.

I think that at least we should have the following list, please tell me what
do you think:

1. Street / רחוב
2. Avenue / שדרות or שדרת - I don't mind to use  Boulevard instead.
3. Alley /  סימטת
4. Way / דרך

Regarding using long names, well having the different version of the name in
different tags is a good idea, though I prefer that we will have both names
in Hebrew and Englsh, and just have the short (ot long) in English as Yuri
practice.
I noted that people add tags like name:he1, name:en1, so I prefer that we
will use long (or short) names in this tag.
This way no gusseing of how to generate the short from the long will be
needed.
BTW: In Rishon I noted that long names are start with the first name and
then the family name (when applicable), please tell me if in your area it is
the same.

Regards,
Eli


On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Yuri Magrisso <yumariso at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Eli,
>
>>
>> I was adviced to raise the questions in this mailing list, which I didn't
>> know exists until yesterday.
>> I went over the archives and read the thread "convention for tagging
>> roads" that Yuri started. Was there any final decision regarding it? I saw
>> that all agree with it, yet didn't see final decision.
>>
>
> There was no final decision about it. Initially I was hoping to get some
> more opinions and experiences, especially regarding the city conventions. I
> also wanted to check what do they do in other parts of the world. One thing
> that I noticed was that JOSM warns when a primary or secondary road does not
> have a road reference, which made me think that those tags are reserved for
> inter-city roads. I personally like to use them for city roads because they
> make the map look prettier and more informative, so may be it is worth to
> ignore that warning. Later on I just got quite busy at work and haven't been
> able to invest a lot of time in OSM. Now that you are mentioning it, we
> should probably just revive the discussion and finalize it.
>
>
>> Also I have few more questions regarding mapping conventions and will
>> appreciate your opinion on them.
>>
>> 1. Does a street name should be prefixed with word like "רחוב"
>> or "שדרות"?
>> I personally prefer that the name will not include this information,
>> if this kind of information is important maybe a new tag should be added for
>> it.
>>
>
> It will be interesting to see if there is some kind of reasoning behind
> labeling a street as a Boulevard, Avenue, Road or simply Street. I am also
> thinking that the right thing is to have a tag for those and have the
> renderer show them in different colors. I haven't seen that question raised
> on the main OSM forums, so for now I am just adding that to the name. If
> there will be separate tags for those labels then we can just write
> something that extracts them from the name and adds them as a tag.
>
>
>>
>> 2. Should we use full names for the streets or the most commonly used /
>> known?
>> One example is: ז'בוטינסקי or זאב ז'בוטינסקי, where both names are known.
>> Second example is (street in Rishon): "גיסין" which is the known name or
>> "דוד ואריה לייב גיסין", which is the full name but I don't think that
>> anybody is familiar with this name?
>>
>
> What I do is I write the short version to the name tag and the long version
> to the name:he tag. In the name:en tag I write the short version in English.
>
>
>>
>> 3. When a street is bi-directional and the direction lanes are saparated
>> by traffic island ("אי תנועה"), does the map should have two separate route,
>> one for each direction?
>> For streets saparated by traffic island, I currently create two routes one
>> for each direction.
>>
>
> I think this is the recommended way to do it.
>
>
> Regards,
> Yuri
>
>
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