[Talk-it-piemonte] Open Data Piemonte e Torino

[Kay F. Jahnke]

On 14.11.2012 12:14, Maurizio Daniele wrote:
> 2012/11/14 Kay F. Jahnke <_kfj at yahoo.com <mailto:_kfj at yahoo.com>>
>
>>
>>         **** begin quote
>>
>>         Il fruitore, in caso di riproduzione o pubblicazione di
>>         elaborazioni contenenti informazioni reperite sul Geoportale
>>         della Città, ha l'obbligo di rispettare i vincoli previsti
>>         dalla licenza, segnalando la proprietà dei dati riportando la
>>         seguente frase:
>>
>>         /"Base cartografica realizzata da [Licenziatario], integrata
>>         con [Livelli informativi o Servizi][data] della Città di
>>         Torino reperiti sul Geoportale del Comune di Torino"
>>         /
>>         **** end quote
>>
>
>     I was using this as an example. The need for direct attribution is
>     stated explicitly in the licensing texts coming with the data, and
>     is also central to the CC-BY license (that's the BY in it) - I
>     don't really believe that the method you propose - to simpy put
>     them on the contributors page - is sufficient. OSM has to be very
>     careful about these things! We can't afford to have legal trouble
>     with government bodies. Are you certain about this issue?
>
>     Any lawyers out there who can help?
>
>
> Due to the fact we have a online database and not a printed map, my 
> *opinion* is that we have to communicate the statement with the same 
> modality of the data: online. So the "contributors" page is enough, 
> like in the rest of the world.
>
> In any case, I'm not a lawyer too, but I think we don't need a lawyer 
> to solve this problem: I'm simply mailing to the geoportale's people 
> to ask them if this is OK (like for all others contributors) or not.
>
> I'll forward to the list the reply (if there's one, of course :-D )

Thank you for bringing the matter forward. For data which can be used by 
OSM already, I have had a look at

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Potential_Datasources

and my impression was that permission needs to be granted to use such 
data at all, and the permission will also specify which use OSM can make 
of the data - i.e. import them or only retrace them. No piemontese data 
are mentioned there. When I looked at the italian section of the 
international datasources wiki page

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Italy

I found this section on data from the regione piemonte (note the last 
sentence):

********* begin quote


        Regione Piemonte

The Regione Piemonte has put data from their stock online at [12] 
<http://www.dati.piemonte.it/> These include a detailed DEM and the CTRN 
for the whole of Piemonte down to 1:10000 resolution. Some of the data 
are quite old, but potentially still extremely useful (e.g. for streams, 
toponyms). The data are under various CC licenses. No permission to use 
the data in OSM has yet been requested or given.


        ********** end quote

So this is why I think OSM can't use the data (yet). Gaining permission 
would be a great success. Good luck!

Kay
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