[OSM-ja] [Talk-ko] Romanisation: a solution

Maarten van den Hoven mrvdhoven @ gmail.com
2017年 10月 26日 (木) 05:26:19 UTC

Hello Andrew,

I agree with your view on the Telegram group. All important discussion
should be done here.

I would like to add to the romanisation proposal that the OSM guide
recommends the use of lower case tags. BCP47 states that the standard is
case insensitive. Therefore, I suggest the use of "ko-latn" instead of

Kind regards.

On 26 Oct 2017 1:21 p.m., "Andrew Errington" <erringtona @ gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Maarten,

I agree with your reasoning that the tag was probably chosen because the
ko-Latn tag was either unknown at the time, or maybe didn't exist.  I searched
for the "correct" tag a few times myself in the past because I suspected
ko_rm was not a recognised language code, but I didn't find a definitive

I also agree that standards are good in general, so I support the
suggestion to change the ko_rm tag to ko-Latn.  However, I don't know how
many data consumers use the ko_rm tag who would be affected.  I suspect the
number is small because most people in Korea use online maps from Daum and
Naver (the two most popular online portals in Korea).

Regarding the osmKorea group on telegram.me I think it should not be
promoted for two reasons.  Firstly, it seems that the messages can only be
seen with the Telegram app.  They are not visible on a webpage therefore
no-one can read any discussion or contribute without the app.  Secondly,
the OSM community in Korea is small.  Not many people are subscribed to
this list (Talk-ko) and using Telegram will fragment discussions further.
I suppose there is a third reason, and that is the most popular chat
program in Korea is Kakao Talk.

In summary, I support changing ko_rm to ko-Latn, but I don't support using
Telegram for discussion.

Best wishes,


On Oct 26, 2017 4:07 PM, "Maarten van den Hoven" <mrvdhoven @ gmail.com>

Dear OSM editors,

This email proposes a solution to the Korean and Japanese romanisation
tagging issue. Since this topic concerns both Korea and Japan it is sent to
their respective mailing lists.

The tag for romanised korean is currently "name:ko_rm". However, this is
not the international standard. "ko_rm" was most likely chosen a long time
ago because people at the time were unformiliar with the global standard as
seen here (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Korea_Naming_Convention).
The global standard as defined by the Internet Engineering Task Force here (
https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47) and backed by W3C, Unicode, ECMA is
"ko-Latn" instead of "ko_rm". Adopting a global standard solves confusion
over the use of the tag (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org

This talk has been going on for the past years as seen by the above links
and this one -> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.
However, I was unable to find arguments in defense of the "ko_rm" tag.

Therefore, I suggest an edit of the OSM database (following the official
procedure as defined here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org
/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct) of changing all "name:ko_rm" tags to
"name:ko-Latn", like Serbia did in the past as well (

Before this change is pushed it is of course important to see if anyone has
objections or other reasons why the "ko_rm" tag was chosen over the
"ko-Latn" tag.

We encourage editors in Korea to join the OSM Korea Telegram chat group
here https://telegram.me/osmKorea.

Kind regards.

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