[Talk-nz] [EXTERNAL] Re: Ref tags in New Zealand

[Aleksandar Matejevic (E-Search)]

Thanks for quick responses. 

Here are examples for Tourist Routes (Brown shields):

First one is in Auckland and it is brown shielded all the way
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo&pKey=SlksAxctD553Ounj-7z9pQ&lat=-36.932415999999996&lng=174.6608334&z=17

The second one is more complex, because on one right side of photo you have brown shield 72 and on right white 72 for the same direction.
https://openstreetcam.org/details/1382434/6098/track-info

Should these routes have tag ref=72 or it should be ref=T 72? Or perhaps tagging ways as ref=72 and creating two relations, one for route 72 and second one for Inland Scenic Route which will contain the same members would be the most suitable solution for these cases?

As for Alan Jamieson asked, if you were referring to this:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo&pKey=FoRum02YG4t_rpoSbCm22w&lat=-41.2591219&lng=174.79265154999996&z=17

I would consider this more as pure destination signs than to a route info because there is a motorway junction not so much further north where SH2 starts/ends
There are route markers along the way that shows where SH1 starts and SH 2 ends
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo&pKey=CGkSLiRaXLqZC6T0cDBWnA&lat=-41.24921074&lng=174.81189502999996&z=18.496563684834058&x=0.24469218674064752&y=0.6500715467211103&zoom=1.2806830309498398

And in opposite direction 
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo&pKey=1oTLXBnwY4MyWJ24JLXyXA&lat=-41.24773228&lng=174.81377814000007&z=17.757060940340768&x=0.49041439963160594&y=0.5693643213908663&zoom=0

So I would leave it as it is on OSM right now. 

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From: Jan Sten Adámek via Talk-nz <talk-nz at openstreetmap.org> 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:49 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Talk-nz] Ref tags in New Zealand

Hi,

> For what I have seen there are three type of shields (I will use 100 
> as route number for each example): Red shields - State Highway routes 
> - tagged as ref=SH 100.
> White shields - Urban Routes - tagged as ref=100 Brown shields - 
> Touristic Routes - not tagged at all (should be ref=T 100?)

Correct. White shields are for Routes in general, Urban Routes is the name used in Auckland.

Are there actually any numbered themed (tourist) highways? AFAIK they all use symbols which can't be put in ref. Themed highways are not official highway references (e.g. for bridge numbers) and should be mapped as route relations only, not on the ways (Routes and State Highways should use both).

> I came across few examples were some editors are changing white shield 
> ref from ref=100 to ref=SH 100. After some research I have found that 
> these routes were revoked
> (https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.
> wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_New_Zealand_state_highways&data=02%
> 7C01%7Cv-maalek%40microsoft.com%7C6e6848245e68428e73d808d823dccf7d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637298778587446241&sdata=k%2Bkc1U5LSSb1Zq%2BTPr7CeqeM9QerE5sljGGrQPpdOds%3D&reserved=0 ). Is there any community agreement for adding routes in New Zealand because I would like to fix all these errors so there is consistency across the map?

It should be whatever is on the ground. NZTA usually updates signs quickly.