[talk-ph] another road renamed, another border duspute

sorabsuperstar at web.de sorabsuperstar at web.de
Wed Dec 17 17:03:09 GMT 2008


Hi guys,

sorry, i can hardly follow up anymore. I made the mistake to join three global OSM-talk-groups (talk, talk-legal and legal-general) and since then my inbox is BLOW AWAY by incomming traffic :/

Reg. the matter at hand:
It is in fact a little bit tricky. Buendia Ave is tagged Senator Gil Puyat on a large strip now.
Hmm. To be honest - and this is nothing against Senator Puyat - but I absolutely dont know anyone who calls that Street Puyat rather than Buendia. At least not the Makati portion of it.
I think it should be name= and alt_name= for the names commonly used, i.e. the name ppl on the street actually use for that street. The rederers should display them as something like [name]([alt_name]), which they dont do yet, afaik.
old_name= should be used for a former name, that is commonly accepted as derelicted. A tag new_name= might be used for a new name, that has not yet been commonly adopted ... and then eventually become alt_name, then name. OSM is a living map,that will adopt changes in the realworld at any time.

Displaying historic names (i.e. names that fall under old_name=) on the normal map will make it confusing. For a historic map, someone should create a special historic-renderer. (That's the good thing about OSM, that you can use the data in many different ways.)

Cheers

Soren

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "maning sambale" <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
> Gesendet: 17.12.08 03:31:20
> An: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <seav80 at gmail.com>
> CC: OSM <talk-ph at openstreetmap.org>
> Betreff: Re: [talk-ph] another road renamed, another border duspute

> Can't see why not.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can we invent a new tag? Something like "old_name_until=2008" to go with
> > "old_name"?
> >
> > Some names are so old (like Gov. Forbes for A.H. Lacson Ave. in Sampaloc or
> > even Dewey Boulevard for Roxas Boulevard) that most people don't know them
> > anymore.
> >
> > Renderers can then render the name of the street like "name (old name)" and
> > dropping out the "(old name)" part if the old name is more than X years old,
> > where X is a renderer-specified number.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> In updating renamed roads, can we add alternate names
> >> like
> >> old_name:Timog Avenue
> >> name:GMA Drive
> >>
> >> Or something similar to that effect?  For instance Gil Puyat is still
> >> popularly known as Buendia (Boonja in some
> >> foreign-made-highly-inaccurate-maps)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:16 PM, ian lopez <ian_lopez_1115 at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > From what I had read in the recent days, 11th Jamboree Street from eds
> >> > to
> >> > Timog Avenue is now known as GMA Drive. This is similar to renaming
> >> > Scout
> >> > Albano to Eugenio Lopez, Jr. Drive a few years back.
> >> >
> >> > Also, portions of Barangay San Lorenzo are being relocated to Barangays
> >> > Pio
> >> > del Pilar and Bangkal, whcih is technically illegal (in my opinion),
> >> > since
> >> > it needs a law to be passed by both houses of Congress and the
> >> > President's
> >> > signature for it to be oficial. I'm not concerned with the motives
> >> > behind
> >> > it. Rather, I'm putting this up as a reminder: don't move the boundaries
> >> > (for now).
> >> >
> >> > These challenges for us isn't that exciting anyway. But I'm posting it
> >> > for
> >> > information's sake.
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >> --
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> >> maning
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> maning
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