[talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values forboundary=administrative

Thu Apr 30 12:48:09 BST 2009

I agree, it's the level in the hierarchy is confusing. In case of Davao
City we have 3 districts that covers only Barangays (By the way, Davao
City is not part of Davao del Sur as what others thought). In North
Cotabato we have 4 districts with 18 municipalities. But classifying the
different districts is doable.

murlwe

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com]
>Sent: 4/30/2009 2:09:00 PM
>To: seav80 at gmail.com
>Cc: talk-ph at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values
forboundary=administrative
>
>Eugene and all,
>
>Are you proposing this scheme for admin_levels?
>
>(first row is Eugene's proposal as I understand it)
>2 --> 2 - National Border (this is a worldwide convention, so there
will be no
>3 --> 4 - Regions
>4 --> 6 - Provinces
>5 --> Districts?
>6 --> 8 - Cities and municipalities
>8 --> 9 - Barangays and Districts of Manila
>10 --> Zones
>12 --> all sitios/puroks can just simply be place=*)
>
>The congressional district is very problematic in terms of level in
>the hierarchy. Some congressional districts covers several
>municipalities while others in my case, Marikina covers only
>barangays.
>
>I think the most critical that we agreed on is the level for barangay
>and cities/municipalities. The other levels can be aggregated to the
>above basic unit.
>
>What do others think?
>
>
>On 4/11/09, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Right now, in the mapping conventions page (
>>
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conve
ntions)
>> we have the following:
>>
>> 2 - National Border (this is a worldwide convention, so there will be
no
>> changing of this value's meaning)
>> 4 - Regions
>> 6 - Provinces
>> 8 - Cities and municipalities
>> 9 - Barangays and Districts of Manila
>>
>> I'd like to re-open the discussion on a few points. It's better we
put these
>> things down pat before adding more barangay borders.
>>
>> *I. Boundaries of Regions*
>>
>> Is it useful to *explicitly* indicate the boundaries for regions? If
not,
>> then we can bump up the admin_level for provinces to 4. If anyone
really
>> wants the regional boundaries, then only a small amount of
post-processing
>> is needed given the provincial boundaries (well, except for that
weird
>> business with Isabela City and Cotabato City). As an alternative,
since the
>> sort-of convention in OSM is to use the even numbers primarily and
reserve
>> the odd numbers for special cases, then maybe we can have regions as
>> admin_level=3 and provinces as admin_level=4. Caveat: while regions
are
>> generally just groupings of local government units, ARMM *does* have
a
>> regional government. (And Metro Manila, the region, is somewhat a
federation
>> under the MMDA.)
>>
>> Here's how we can view regions: normal regions are simply groupings
of
>> provinces subject to the whim of the President (so that each
executive
>> department can have regional offices for better rendering and
localization
>> of services). ARMM is a *special* unique region having its own
autonomous
>> government and each city and municipality AFAIK can independently
choose to
>> be part of ARMM, not on a per province basis. This is why Isabela
City is
>> under Basilan, but outside ARMM, even though the rest of Basilan is
in ARMM.
>>
>> *II. Hierarchy of Administrative Units*
>>
>> Here is the *administrative* (i.e.,
congressional/judicial/police/etc.
>> districts are not included) hierarchy in the Philippines:
>>
>> - Regions* (no government except for ARMM, and quasi-government for
Metro
>> Manila)
>> - Provinces (has a government)
>> - Cities / municipalities (has a government)
>> - Districts** (no executive government; e.g., Malate in Manila and
Jaro in
>> Iloilo City, but not Cubao, a vaguely-defined district, in Quezon
City)
>> - Zones (no government; cities and municipalities with zones include
Manila,
>> Pasay, Caloocan; zones are just defined groupings of barangays for
>> administrative convenience)
>> - Barangays (has a government)
>> - Sitios / puroks (no government; boundaries are not always defined
so maybe
>> all sitios/puroks can just simply be place=*)
>>
>> ** Some districts might need to be delineated. For example, Quezon
City is
>> divided into 4 districts (numbered 1-4) and while these correspond
1-is-to-1
>> with the congressional districts of Quezon City and would not
normally fall
>> under boundary=administrative (maybe,
boundary=legislative/congressional?),
>> each district has its own set of city councilors (which I think means
that
>> each district can have its own set of ordinances, though I'm not sure
about
>> the details). This makes these districts "administrative" in their
own right
>> and might merit their own boundary=administrative tagging.
>>
>> Which of these do we include and at what values of admin_level?
>>
>> *III. Highly-urbanized Cities and Independent Component Cities*
>>
>> How do we handle the case of Highly-urbanized Cities and Independent
>> Component Cities? boundary=administrative implies an administration
>> delineation of sorts (e.g., the area delineated by the boundaries of
Rizal
>> province is under the jurisdiction of the Provincial Government of
Rizal).
>> HUCs and ICCs are administratively independent of their provinces
(save from
>> unusual exceptions depending on the City Charter, like Mandaue City
>> residents being able to vote for Cebu Provincial positions despite
being an
>> HUC). For example, Cebu City is a HUC and so the Cebu Provincial
Government
>> has no legal say over the territory of Cebu CIty (except for the
limited
>> case of paying costs to Cebu City for "hosting" the Cebu Provincial
>> Capitol). (This has resulted in a lot of legal battle between Cebu
City and
>> Cebu Province, like the dispute on who has jurisdiction over Osmena
Circle
>> in Cebu City.)
>>
>> (See this Wikipedia article section regarding independent cities:
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_the_Philippines#Independent_citie
s )
>>
>>
>> Eugene / seav
>>
>> --
>> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com
>>
>
>
>-- 
>cheers,
>maning
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