[talk-ph] POIs Part 2

Wed May 6 16:40:05 BST 2009

Hi All,

I have to add - have you seen the Boracay map? While it looks fantastic that
it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business there has lead to a map
that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at times.

For example
http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.925368309021/17
/ - "Mango Ray Shenna's Resort" - are those two places? One? Which building
is covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one?

A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be interested in - a
statue, a building, even a public transit location. But specific businesses
(be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create clutter and a mess
- which will only get worse as businesses are created and others go out of
business.

Having too much data (especially as part of the primary data set) is
contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map.

-A

From: talk-ph-bounces at openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-ph-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Alvin Villar
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:28 AM
To: maning sambale
Cc: OSM
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM, maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
wrote:

Just my take,
1.  If it's on the ground it should be mapped.

This is a good guideline in general but of course a line has to be drawn
somewhere (pun not intended). I don't think drawing the individual stripes
of a pedestrian walkway is productive even if it *is* on the ground. A map
is supposed to be a representation--not a facsimile of the real world.
That's why we represent roads in OSM using center lines and not (at the
moment) as areas.

2.  If somebody bothered to map fishball vendors in Luneta, nobody's
stopping him.

Fishball vendors are probably not a good example for your point since they
are too ephemeral to be mapped. But anyway, OSM is a community project and
we work on consensus. While we do encourage people to map what they think
are important, I don't think we should just let people map things like
"Location of Mark and Jenny's first kiss", right?

3 years ago (am I that old in OSM?), my only goal is to map major
highways around the metro, now it's there.  But we want more.  We've
mapped footways, cycleways, I even saw driveways somewhere.  If
somebody sees the importance of a certain feature then by all means
let them map it.

If I can collect data for breeding sites of all the endangered bird
species (and I think it is important) I will possibly map it here.

I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the moment) but
I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map individual
houses with addresses

I disagree that the limits are there just for the moment. I think there
should be a limit imposed at all times (the limit can move over time, but
there is still a limit). For instance, Wikipedia has guidelines on what is
NOT acceptable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT) eventhough the presence
of those guidelines run counter to Wikipedia's lofty aim to be the "sum of
all human knowledge".

I think individual features for detached residential houses are OK, but I
really don't think we need to place a point for every unit in high-rise
condominiums.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and
> Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise.
Do
> we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western
> Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal
take
> is that we don't need to.
>
> One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds
of
> tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in
> such a small land area.
>
> I feel that the level of detail we should attain is down to the building
> level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in Megamall Building A, then
it's
> enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not where the Jollibee
> there is exactly.
>
> In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be added for anchor
tenants,
> like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE Hardware, SM
Supermarket,
> SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark out each and every
> McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's, BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
> mall.
>
> A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is better suited to
> something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale
<emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> What I mean is address information (we've discussed it already, and
>> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken) not specific business
>> establishment (although it is attached to the address).  We also have
>> numerous POIs added already.
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq <ahmed at enthropia.com>
wrote:
>> > I don't think adding business data to OSM is a good idea - that data
>> > changes far too often and is far more complex in upkeep.
>> >
>> > -A
>> >
>
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> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com
>

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