[talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers

Thu Feb 17 05:19:12 GMT 2011

Maning,

--- On Thu, 17/2/11, maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: maning sambale <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor lovers
> To: "Leonard Soriano" <banito_pinoy at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <seav80 at gmail.com>, "rem zamora" <pompyang at gmail.com>, talk-ph at openstreetmap.org
> Received: Thursday, 17 February, 2011, 4:28 AM
> Bunny,
> 
> We have a few mountain trails already added in OSM. 
> Most mountain
> peaks are also there (coming from GNS so this needs
> correction).
> Using the default map and contour, I believe this is useful
> already
> for mountaineers.
> 
> What we need from the mountaineers are:
>  - more trail/hiking data along with the trail classes
> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale)
>  - location of peaks/viewpoints/trail stops and other
> amenities
> 
> I don't know if UPM or other mountaineering groups are
> aware of our
> project or the osmph garmin maps.  We can of course
> design a garmin
> map for them, all we need are inputs on how they classify
> trails.
> Perhaps we can have a session with these group to share how
> to
> contribute in osm and then compile their own maps?
>

I think given the accessibility of GPS units now compared before, a lot of people in the outdoor community are aware of this technology. We need to find a way to inform the existence of OSM garmin maps and how the outdoor community can contribute. Through e-groups is already an easy way for this.

Good idea of having a GPS/trail mapping/workshop/skill share or whatever we call it. I think we could talk to ROX about this. There is a regular discussion of outdoor topics such as first aid, trail running, kayaking, etc that they organize in their store. I think proposing a skill share on GPS for outdoor people and mountaineering groups in collaboration with ROX fits in well. 

--bunny
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Leonard Soriano
> <banito_pinoy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Eugene,
> >
> > Magandang project yan! This is actually important as
> it can be used not only for recreation purposes but even for
> search and rescue efforts.
> >
> > I am thinking, if we could start on a case site like a
> national park that is frequently visited by  visitors both
> seasoned and not seasoned climbers. For example Mt. Pulag
> National Park. Given the traffic it gets the whole year, the
> benefits of having a gps map of the park complete with trail
> and waypoints has a very high potential.  For the past
> years, I was doing trail survey data with the UP
> Mountaineers and we have covered Ambangeg/Ambaguio/Akiki/
> and just recently Tinoc trail.
> >
> > For those people who might be interested, a DRAFT
> result of the trail survey can be downloaded from this
> link:
> >
> > https://www.yousendit.com/download/MzZFblFKbWdoeVpjR0E9PQ
> > password: @MtPNP_Draft
> >
> > The trails are already in OSM and some of the
> waypoints.
> >
> > For the contour data, I do have a digital files based
> from NAMRIA 1:50K topo maps and if our mappers would want to
> compile this, I can upload it somewhere for downloads.
> >
> > Napapanahon itong idea na ito.
> >
> > --bunny
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 16/2/11, rem zamora <pompyang at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: rem zamora <pompyang at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] maps for mountaineers/ outdoor
> lovers
> > To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <seav80 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: talk-ph at openstreetmap.org
> > Received: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 4:18 PM
> >
> > eugene,
> > you got my point exactly!
> > been climbing mountains myself recently. last data
> uploaded by me in osm was trail to summit in kanlaon via
> guintubdan trail. trail tracks are very useful particularly
> in the outdoors. you need not rely 100 percent on the gps
> but i feel safer with this info uploaded to my gps.
> > this is also helpful in search and rescue operations
> particularly in the mountains where road maps are not that
> important. we need topo maps in these mountains plus trail
> maps and waypoints.
> > i still havent uploaded my waypoints but i usually
> save campsites, water source, rest stops, and other
> important points along the trail sucj as landmarks. and of
> course the summits. (so when i hike with people who keep on
> asking "are we there yet?" i can easily say we are about so
> and so kilometers away and it will take us about so and so
> hours hehe) was able to do this during recent climb to pulag
> :)
> > anyway i hope you guys (the compilers) hear me on
> this. :) i dont know if i can learn the process but you can
> rely on me for data gathering :)
> > rem
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar
> <seav80 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, if you want to get your hands dirty, you can
> actually DIY! The
> > Garmin maps are compiled using mkgmap and you just
> need the raw OSM
> > data (Geofabrik provides Philippine data extracts),
> the contour data
> > (maybe Maning can share his data, but they were made
> using Groundtruth
> > from NASA's SRTM data), and mkgmap itself (plus some
> learning time).
> >
> > But, we could additionally adopt your suggestion and
> consider adding
> > another Garmin map download which has the consolidated
> contours for
> > selected mountaineering peaks, and make the
> hiking/trekking trails
> > more prominent. A mountaineer's map anyone?
> >
> > Hmmm, thinking about it, I actually like the idea!
> Instead of
> > targeting only the car owners with the OSM Garmin map,
> we could also
> > "expand the market" and target also the mountaineering
> clubs. A Garmin
> > map that still contains roads (so the mountaineers can
> drive to the
> > base camps and jump-off points) plus prominent hiking
> trails and
> > contours would be a perfect addition. And if this map
> becomes popular,
> > then we have another potential source of contributors
> who can map the
> > rural and mountainous areas. :-D
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, rem zamora <pompyang at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > hey! just thinking aloud here. i know we have our
> osm map. and we also have
> > > the 10m elevation contour map of the country.
> what if... we can consolidate
> > > the two. in maning's page (http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin)
> > > there is already an osm map with contour. i
> havent checked it yet but the
> > > note says it is only metro manila map and it
> might get too cluttered.
> > > maybe, we can, put osm map for the whole country,
> and then put contour maps
> > > for special places/mountains like apo, kanlaon,
> pulag, mayon, et.al. im not
> > > sure how this can be implemented but maybe, just
> maybe there is a way to put
> > > contour maps (just for certain areas where it can
> be useful) with street
> > > maps from osm.
> > > this will eliminate me having to put two maps in
> my gpsr and
> > > enabling/disabling the mamp whic is needed/not
> needed.
> > > just a suggestion guys :)
> > >
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> > >
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