[talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

[tutubi]

hi!

maintaining a server you need:
location space/datacenter
network equipmnt (routers/fw/switches)
warm bodies to manage 24/7
Internet connection, power aircon

you can also outsource in the cloud where you just buy a virtual server and connectivity

i used to be a network admin at a telco and i can attest that then, and still now, local peering were all "praise releases" where telcos don't cooperate plus lazy/ignorant routing engineers

i did the inter-network routing work back then (using BGP) to tweak routing parameters to route outgoing traffic to local nwtworks via local links (and not via our US, HK and JP links) but the return traffic I can't control. 

now i test and tweak OSM routing :)

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On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike,
> 
> Your proposal is actually interesting.
> 
> However, I am not actually aware of anyone in the OSMPH community who
> is experienced enough with running and maintaining a server here in
> the Philippines. The usual strategy I know is that people buy hosting
> services from data centers in located the United States.
> 
> Also, I am not familiar with the state of the Internet backbone in the
> Philippines (PHNET). I'm not 100% sure but I've read of stories where
> if you want to access a local server in the Philippines, you might
> sometimes get routed first to the United States depending on which
> Internet Service Provider you are currently on so having a local
> server might not actually help with any netowrk latency issues that
> OSM France's solution hopes to solve.
> 
> Maybe the people from Enthropia Philippines (who is generously
> sponsoring the openstreetmap.org.ph website) can provide some input?
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM, maning sambale
> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Mike,
>> 
>> Im glad you met Mario in SOTM2012. Also, congrats on finally getting over
>> with the license change.
>> 
>> On to the topic, I think the idea of a server is good if this can help with
>> poor connections, especially if it can be used for disaster mapping efforts.
>> Maybe we can even design our own map style. :-)
>> 
>> Anyway, I know very little about servers so I leave it to others here to
>> discuss possibilities and challenges on such a project with osm.fr
>> 
>> Maning Sambale (mobile)
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, "Michael Collinson" <mike at ayeltd.biz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
>>> this list.
>>> 
>>> I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
>>> familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
>>> interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a caching
>>> download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs every minute.
>>> JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the London
>>> server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For French and
>>> many European users it provides much better response. When you upload, then
>>> it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months and appears
>>> to work correctly.
>>> 
>>> And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
>>> things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.
>>> 
>>> So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a
>>> similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response with
>>> the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation
>>> and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)
>>> travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
>>> vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it in
>>> a high availability data centre.
>>> 
>>> So, any interest?
>>> 
>>> In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
>>> build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
>>> community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest
>>> in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
>>> server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting
>>> involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.
>>> 
>>> Mike
> 
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