[talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

andre at enthropia.com andre at enthropia.com
Sat Sep 15 08:48:02 BST 2012

Hi guys,

Just happened to read this digest when I saw this.
I am not an expert on the local internet infrastructure but from the 
people I have talked to, what I understand is, PLDT owns it all and 
anyone else gets routed out of the country first before coming back in.
There is a service of PLDT called invitro where PLDT is directly 
connected to all local ISPs. It's not cheap to say the least. If you 
want to figure out the logistics and pricing I can put you in touch with 
Wilson Chua who runs a datacenter here and Bitstop Networking Solutions.

Is there an actual connection issue with loading the FR server. What is 
the latency from various ISPs here in the Philippines? Could it be 
resolved by running on Amazon Web Services from Singapore? Or perhaps 
renting physical servers from Rackspace in Hong Kong?

Would we want to do it the NGO way via working out a partnership with 
Smart/PLDT/ or Globe or go at it the retail customer way and asking for 
the best discount possible. Lots of scenarios are possible but what is 
actually needed?


On 9/15/12 8:49 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> Hello Mike,
> Your proposal is actually interesting.
> However, I am not actually aware of anyone in the OSMPH community who
> is experienced enough with running and maintaining a server here in
> the Philippines. The usual strategy I know is that people buy hosting
> services from data centers in located the United States.
> Also, I am not familiar with the state of the Internet backbone in the
> Philippines (PHNET). I'm not 100% sure but I've read of stories where
> if you want to access a local server in the Philippines, you might
> sometimes get routed first to the United States depending on which
> Internet Service Provider you are currently on so having a local
> server might not actually help with any netowrk latency issues that
> OSM France's solution hopes to solve.
> Maybe the people from Enthropia Philippines (who is generously
> sponsoring the openstreetmap.org.ph website) can provide some input?
> Regards,
> Eugene
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM, maning sambale
> <emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Mike,
>> Im glad you met Mario in SOTM2012. Also, congrats on finally getting over
>> with the license change.
>> On to the topic, I think the idea of a server is good if this can help with
>> poor connections, especially if it can be used for disaster mapping efforts.
>> Maybe we can even design our own map style. :-)
>> Anyway, I know very little about servers so I leave it to others here to
>> discuss possibilities and challenges on such a project with osm.fr
>> Maning Sambale (mobile)
>> On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, "Michael Collinson" <mike at ayeltd.biz> wrote:
>>> Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
>>> this list.
>>> I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
>>> familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
>>> interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a caching
>>> download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs every minute.
>>> JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the London
>>> server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For French and
>>> many European users it provides much better response. When you upload, then
>>> it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months and appears
>>> to work correctly.
>>> And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
>>> things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.
>>> So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a
>>> similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response with
>>> the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation
>>> and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)
>>> travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
>>> vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it in
>>> a high availability data centre.
>>> So, any interest?
>>> In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
>>> build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
>>> community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest
>>> in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
>>> server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting
>>> involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.
>>> Mike

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