[talk-ph] Road name suffixes again

[Erwin Olario]

The available imagery in that area is very current, from January to
February 2021. Street signs are clearly visible in the photos, as can be
seen in this photo example [1] from the sequences contributed by the user
mdgabriel [2].

Using "117 Maginhawa, Diliman, Quezon City 1101" as an address doesn't
appear problematic for me.  I am certain that if it's real, and I post
something to it, it will reach its destination.

"Weird" is a subjective term, that's why the community follows conventions.
Is it not the current Philippine convention to map the full names as used
in physical street signs, because that's publicly verifiable?

With a few exceptions, If in official documents, a highway is referred to
as "XYZ Street" but the posted street signs only says "Xyz", isn't it also
the convention to use name="Xyz" + official_name="XYZ Street" ?


[1]: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/RER3VDfbMGxeZCCwZBE95V
[2]:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/mdgabriel?lat=14.968796535597093&lng=121.02947521607416&z=7.810609798421078

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On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 9:55 AM Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hmm, looks like you've missing the point that you should consider business
> signage, calling cards and things as valid sources as well. Don't just rely
> too much on the blue and white street sign in the corner. Did you saw
> anything like that?
>
> If "weird" is not the best way to describe the problem of using bare
> names, I can better say bare names don't fit well with addresses. The
> street signs may don't have the suffix, but the other signs plus common
> sense will tell. Would an example "117 Maginhawa" be a good address to send
> mail? I'll say no.
>
> Again, when is the imagery dated?
>
> --TagaSanPedroAko
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 9:21 AM Erwin Olario, <govvin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The current street-level imagery from Mapillary in the area shows no
>> "street" suffixes on the street signs.  Imagery, and local knowledge is the
>> basis for that particular edit.
>>
>> The number one rule for mappers in OpenStreetMap is to map what's on the
>> ground. Adding "street" because it looks weird does not follow the
>> on-the-ground rule.
>>
>> /Erwin
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>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 7:42 AM Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Since the discussion at https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/98219661,
>>> I think we should review our existing convention on naming streets,
>>> especially those with the "Street" suffix, and and handling of street with
>>> official signs that omit the suffixes. Common OSM practice on street names
>>> is to use full names, but existing PH convention somewhat encourages
>>> dropping of suffixes regardless of what signs say, especially for inner
>>> streets, just like some other road maps in the Philippines (and even
>>> signs) do.
>>>
>>> Some important arguments are:
>>>
>>> - OSM is also a database and not just a mere road map (and complete data
>>> is important). Road maps may use common short forms of full road names for
>>> easy recognition, but OSM is far more than those. Maps that use OSM data
>>> have many choices on how to handle road names: use the full name, use
>>> abbreviations, or just use the bare name. By eliminating it, important info
>>> is lost.
>>> - Using bare road names looks plain weird, especially for addresses
>>> (unless we're one of the countries where omitting affixes on most street
>>> names is the norm in maps, signs, and addresses). Ads, business signs, and
>>> things should also be considered as sources, not just the sign at the
>>> street corner. Official road signs may not be consistent in how the name is
>>> written, and the name posted in business addresses may be far better in
>>> telling the name of the road in question.
>>> - The temptation by some mappers to abbreviate suffixes is not a
>>> sufficient reason to eliminate these info from road names.
>>>
>>> --TagaSanPedroAko
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