[Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] NAPTAN database

[Thomas Wood]

2009/2/20 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <ajrlists at googlemail.com>:
> Thomas Wood [mailto:grand.edgemaster at gmail.com] wrote:
>>Sent: 20 February 2009 2:51 PM
>>To: Shaun McDonald
>>Cc: Peter Miller; Talk-gb-westmidlands at openstreetmap.org; talk-
>>transit at openstreetmap.org; Brian Prangle; Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>>Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] NAPTAN database
>>
>>2009/2/20 Shaun McDonald <shaun at shaunmcdonald.me.uk>:
>>>
>>> On 20 Feb 2009, at 14:12, Thomas Wood wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The NaPTAN code is useful to the public. One can text that code to a
>>>>> phone
>>>>> number and get information about upcoming departures.
>>>>> http://www.pti.org.uk/SMS/SMS.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> The number 504974 might be an asset number of the bus stop used by the
>>>>> authority for management purposes. That might belong in the PlateCode
>>>>> field,
>>>>> but the problem with non-naptan fields is that they will be done
>>>>> differently
>>>>> in different parts of the county.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should YT go in Ref? I am not sure about that. It might be better to
>>>>> using
>>>>> the naptancode there which is unique nationally.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, yes, where provided. However, since my view is
>>>> essentially London-only, (where NaptanCodes don't exist at all), I
>>>> find that the Stop indicator is the most useful thing, since it is
>>>> almost essential to differentiate stops at transport hubs.
>>>> I don't see any problem with having a non-unique ref=, since it's be
>>>> likely to be unique on a local scale which is when it is most useful.
>>>
>>> I have seen these local codes on a red circle at the top of the pole in
>>> Edinburgh. I always enter them as local_ref=... since it a is a local
>>> reference. ref=... should be used for the national ref of the bus stop in
>>my
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Shaun
>>
>>Very well. Changed the converter, and wiki.
>
> Not sure if ref= has universally been used for bus_stops. I know all the
> ones I've mapped use that. Easy enough to change though.
>
> I think it may be correct that the numbers on shelters in my photos are
> asset numbers, however these stops don't appear to carry any other reference
> number. All non shelter bus stops in West Mids carry a number in a different
> format as per link below. Does this number appear in the NaPTAN data?
>
> http://ajr.hopto.org/osm/SD530502.JPG
>
> If these on-the-ground reference numbers are not in the NaPTAN data then we
> have quite a bit of work to do to map stops properly.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy


Those are the last 7 digits of the unique, nationwide AtcoCode. I've
not seen them publicly anywhere else.

-- 
Regards,
Thomas Wood
(Edgemaster)