[Talk-us-massachusetts] River Street Bridge CLOSED

[Bill Ricker]

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 6:51 PM Greg Troxel <gdt at lexort.com> wrote:

>
> Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > MassDOT tweets:
> > https://twitter.com/MassDOT/status/1527788581690941445
> >> The River Street Bridge in #HydePark will be CLOSED until further
> notice,
> > as of 5/20, for emergency bridge repairs. Road closure and detour will be
> > in place. #Boston
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/141395663
> > was last updated 2 months ago, which added surface=paved.
> >
> > It still carries MassDOT import's Tags:
> >
> > attribution= Office of Geographic and Environmental Information (MassGIS)
> > bridge= yes
> > condition= fair
> > highway= tertiary
> > lanes= 2
> > layer= 1
> > massgis:way_id= 204695
> > name= River Street
> > source= massgis_import_v0.1_20071008193615
> > surface= paved
> > width= 13.4
> >
> > including *condition=fair* which has obviously been overtaken by events.
> > MASSGIS values below fair are  *deficient*, and *intolerable* (per
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:condition).
> >
> >
> > When marking this bridge closed temporariIy for repairs , should we
> *delete*
> > the out of date official condition, a tag that is largely peculiar to
> > MassGIS imports, or should we interpolate *intolerable*, presuming that
> > value from being closed immediately upon inspection? Or can we find
> > official source for current intolerable rating, explocit or implied?
>
> Given that the import was a really long time ago -- we can use 15 years
> for a rough value -- I would expect almost zero correlation between
> quality tags then and now, since 20 years is optimistic between
> repavings
> So I would just delete the condition tags whenever touching an object.
>

Thank you, quite helpful.
An imaginary friend on OHM suggested re the basic closure tagging

> i would just mark the bridge segment access=no until you got the desirea
clarification

to which i replied

 that seems reasonable to ME, and I think that's what was done with the
> Sarah Mildred Long Interstate Bridge (which is itself Interstate, but does
> not carry an Interstate Highway), but Wiki.osm specifically requests we NOT
> do that (nor Construction tags) for temporary closures ≤ 6 months,  so i've
> given it a 6 month closure access:conditional and a NOTE to update when
> schedule is announced/slips/etc
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/141395663
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3189485
>
> comments &/or armchair welcome!
>

Since this bridge was apparently already scheduled for a rapid bridge
replacement and failed an interim inspection, this may be closure for
duration while they expedite building the replacement ... or they may be
able to patch it, reopen, build replacement,and swap them ... TBD next
week, i guess ?

-- 
Bill Ricker
bill.n1vux at gmail.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux
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