[Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Thu Nov 19 13:51:47 UTC 2015


On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Paul Fox <pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us> wrote:

> paul johnson wrote:
>  > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Paul Fox <pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us>
> wrote:
>  >
>  > > russ wrote:
>  > >  > Paul Johnson writes:
>  > >  >  > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included
>  > >  >  > relations and graphical shields myself, since that's almost
>  > >  >  > a throwaway ticklist item for maps (and particularly online
>  > >  >  > maps) the world over these days.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > I took the time to create relations for all of my county's routes
>  > >  > because I wanted to see them rendered with graphical shields.
>  > >
>  > > thinking about the term "sunset" in the subject:  when route relations
>  > > are created, does that mean the ref= tags go away?  seems like there's
>  > > a need for a transition period in there somewhere.
>  > >
>  >
>  > Obviously there needs to be a sunrise for consumers to catch up, but
>  > eventually the dinosaur needs to be killed.  There's some places where
> the
>  > way has a ref unique to the route, as noted on the ground, that
> currently
>  > isn't easy to map thanks to the associated tag already being used to
>  > identify the ref of an entirely different entity (the route relation).
> I'm
>  > also suggesting that the quicker we do this, the more painless it'll be.
>
> okay.  then, speaking as the maintainer of an independent renderer:
> where are such sunrise/sunset transitions announced/scheduled/tracked?
> is the "announce" list the place to be?  (all i usually see there is
> server outages.) can someone point me to a region (most of) whose
> routes have been converted, for testing?


This is being discussed right here, right now.  I threw the end of next
year out there as a roughly 15 month target from when I mentioned it.  The
US is reasonably complete in terms of route relations, particularly in
Texas which tends to be an extreme case.
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