[Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 112, Issue 12

Chris teslas_moustache at riseup.net
Sun Mar 12 17:41:21 UTC 2017


On 10/03/17 14:27, Joshua Houston wrote:

Hi,

It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be
phased out from OpenStreetMap language. The philosophy of OpenStreetMap
is very inclusive and that should be represented even in the way data is
tagged. I'd like to propose to change the key from "man_made" to
"human_made" and start a discussion on it. Many parts of society are
trying to implement a more inclusive language, NASA for instance has
changed "manned missions" to "crewed missions". I think it is an
important goal to make OSM inclusive whenever there is a choice.

Thanks!

Joshua Houston

"Artificial" is a better word anyway. One word, so we can get rid of that underscore. It's synonymous with "man-made", gender-neutral, and less Victorian sounding.

On March 12, 2017 7:00:08 AM CDT, talk-us-request at openstreetmap.org wrote:
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>   1. Re: Key:man_made... Outdated language? (Richard Fairhurst)
>   2. How to apply changesets (David Niklas)
>   3. Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2017-03-08 (Dave Hansen)
>   4. Re: Key:man_made... Outdated language? (Russ Nelson)
>   5. Re: How to apply changesets (Frederik Ramm)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 05:23:39 -0700 (MST)
>From: Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemed.net>
>To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?
>Message-ID: <1489235019197-5892877.post at n8.nabble.com>
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>Joshua Houston wrote:
>> It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be 
>> phased out from OpenStreetMap language.
>
>FWIW, the lingua franca of OSM tagging is British English: so, colour
>rather
>than color, and so on.
>
>British English does of course have different cultural assumptions to
>American English. As an example in the opposite direction, I remain
>genuinely astonished that there is a US movement called "GeoLadies".
>Here in
>Britain, if you described any woman under 80 as a "lady", you would
>probably
>be expecting a slap; it's generally a patronising and slightly
>pejorative
>word with connotations of passivity and indolence, and outside of those
>parts of London influenced by the US, I don't see that it's been
>reclaimed.
>
>That isn't to say that GeoLadies is objectively wrong: it isn't wrong
>in the
>slightest. Just that, inevitably, some cultural references fall
>differently
>in different parts of the world.
>
>man_made is possibly not too different. I can see how it might sound
>jarring
>to US ears but it's not something at which anyone would bat an eyelid
>in
>Britain. (And of course, going to the country where OSM has
>historically
>been strongest, "man" is a neutral pronoun in German.) Nothing is going
>to
>be entirely consistent across all the cultures in which OSM is used.
>
>Of course, there is a great irony in that this thread has been
>populated by
>people called Joshua, Joel, Ian, Brian, Harald, Mike, Frederik, Blake,
>Clifford, Kevin, and Richard, so maybe we should shut the heck up and
>let
>some women have their say.
>
>cheers
>Richard
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:48:46 -0500
>From: David Niklas <doark at mail.com>
>To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: [Talk-us] How to apply changesets
>Message-ID: <20170311094846.5153f42e at ulgy_thing>
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>Hello,
>I do know what the command line using omosis looks like (and I have
>osmosis).
>What I don't know is this.
>
>1: Do I need every changes set or just the latest of the year?
>2: If I need multiple changesets, can I apply them all at once using
>multiple --read-xml-change directives?
>
>Thanks,
>David
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:16:00 +0000
>From: Dave Hansen <dave at sr71.net>
>To: <dave at sr71.net>,<talk-us at openstreetmap.org>
>Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2017-03-08
>Message-ID: <E1cmpIu-0001Va-Qv at errol.openstreetmap.org>
>
>These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>
>	http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>
>If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
>free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
>odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
>asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>
>Downloads:
>
>	http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08
>
>Map to visualize what each file contains:
>
>	http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08/kml/kml.html
>----
>
>FAQ
>
>----
>
>Why did you do this?
>
>	I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
>	of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
>	cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
>	on removable media.  
>
>	http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2017-03-08
>
>Can or should I seed the torrents?
>
>	Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
>	server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
>	side of the Atlantic.
>
>Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>
>	There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
>	red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
>	want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>
>Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>
>	If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
>	the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
>	file.
>
>Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>
>	Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
>	in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
>	to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
>	This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
>	non-US area to get included, let me know. 
>
>-- Dave
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:14:18 -0500
>From: Russ Nelson <nelson at crynwr.com>
>To: Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemed.net>
>Cc: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?
>Message-ID: <22724.33994.34323.797854 at desk.crynwr.com>
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>Richard Fairhurst writes:
> > Joshua Houston wrote:
>> > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should
>be 
> > > phased out from OpenStreetMap language.
> > 
>> FWIW, the lingua franca of OSM tagging is British English: so, colour
>rather
> > than color, and so on.
> > 
>> man_made is possibly not too different. I can see how it might sound
>jarring
> > to US ears
>
>Some of us remember that women are humans, too.
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:14:33 +0100
>From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
>To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] How to apply changesets
>Message-ID: <354dc5eb-c834-4293-65bd-c045af31492f at remote.org>
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>Hi,
>
>On 11.03.2017 15:48, David Niklas wrote:
>> 1: Do I need every changes set or just the latest of the year?
>
>You don't say exactly what you want to achieve so I can't tell you
>exactly what you need. In your subject you talk about changesets, but
>it
>seems that you are concerned about diff updates published on
>openstreetmap.org. If that'S the case: They are not cumulative; you
>have
>to find out what the timestamp of your data set is and download those
>between then and now.
>
>Osmosis' "read-replication-interval" action can help you keep track of
>how current your data is, and download all changesets between then and
>now, and combine them into one automatically.
>
>> 2: If I need multiple changesets, can I apply them all at once using
>> multiple --read-xml-change directives?
>
>Yes, *and* multiple --apply-change of course. But if you use
>"read-replication-interval" then you will only deal with one diff file
>that has all the changes.
>
>Bye
>Frederik
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