[Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Ian Dees]

Hi everybody,

We're going to stop this thread here (at least on the lists I moderate).
Not only is it off-topic for this thread, but we're also off-topic for the
mailing list. Let's remember to keep conversations positive, constructive,
and on topic.

Thanks!
Ian, your friendly list moderator

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Joel Holdsworth <joel at airwebreathe.org.uk>
wrote:

> Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is
> divisive.
>
> Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I
> didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it literally
> doesn't matter.
>
> Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So long as everyone has a
> chance to contribute if they want to.
>
> Some people are saying about how awful it is to have a gender bias in the
> mapped data. If it were 99% women, I would imagine there might be better
> detail about the women's toilets. In that case, I would add data about the
> men's. No one owes me an apology, or a commitment to change their mapping
> habits. The solution starts with me - "Be the change you want to see."
>
> It's simple - whatever gender, race, social group you are, come and use
> OSM. If some data you care about is missing, get mapping!
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
> On 05/09/17 12:14, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
>
>>
>> My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that
>> you have to justify what you map, just because someone is
>> studying it by gender?
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene
>>> > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that, >
>>> without access to women's toilets ? > > The real question for me is are men
>>> more likely going to map shop=car > than shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/
>>> ... (sorry for the > stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or
>>> amenity=pub ? > will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner
>>> map leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we see or do we
>>> map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything or do
>>> we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned to ? > > This is not
>>> about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are
>>> > pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.
>>>
>>> I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera
>>> captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it.
>>> To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate,
>>> the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups
>>> in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals
>>> and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have
>>> signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have
>>> signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map
>>> lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of
>>> private homes).
>>> The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped.
>>> The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area.
>>> Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a
>>> major street and had a clear sign out front.
>>> Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards
>>> "things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car
>>> store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally
>>> not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs,
>>> because every playground is visible from the street.  And this
>>> non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was
>>> already mapped by the time I got started.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
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