[Talk-us] [Talk-us-nps] [EXTERNAL] North Carolina National Park

OSM Volunteer stevea steveaOSM at softworkers.com
Thu Aug 16 17:48:56 UTC 2018


Hi Nic:

Several years ago I developed a ten-step process for importing USFS data (boundaries) into OSM using our JOSM editor (more difficult to use than web-based iD, but more powerful, too).  These are pretty technical steps, suitable for an intermediate or advanced OSM volunteer, but they are comprehensive, especially for getting a Forest Service boundary (whether forest or wilderness, two separate legal designations) "conflated" with data already existing in OSM.  I would be happy to send them to you, just reply and ask me for my "USFS Import ten-step" document.

SteveA
California

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>   1. Re: [EXTERNAL]  North Carolina National Park
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> From: "English, Jesse R -FS" <jrenglish at fs.fed.us>
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> Thanks for your interest, Nic!
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> The place to get data for the Forest Service is the Data Extract Tool, at https://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/webapps/EDW_DataExtract/. The amount of data varies by Forest, but most every forest should have the information that would be useful to OSM – boundaries, roads, trails, recreation sites, etc.
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> Some forests are combined administratively, even if they seem to be separate forests on the ground. For instance, the Croatan NF is managed as part of the National Forests in North Carolina. So to get the Croatan’s information, you would go to the Data Extract Tool and download National Forests in North Carolina data. Some other, mostly southern, states are like this, including Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, and Florida.
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> Wilderness areas are congressionally-designated areas within federal lands, managed to standards that preserve their wilderness character. For all the information you could ever want on wilderness, please visit Wilderness.net. Here’s a great page to start on: https://www.wilderness.net/NWPS/WhatIsWilderness
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> I hope that helps get you started! Feel free to contact me with any more questions.
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> From: James McAndrew [mailto:james_mcandrew at partner.nps.gov]
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-us-nps] [EXTERNAL] North Carolina National Park
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> Nic,
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> I'm CCing the general talk-us on this, since National Forests are outside of the separate from the National Park Service, and there may be someone there who can provide more guidance.
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> In this particular case the Pocosin Wilderness Area is managed by the Forest Service (part of the US Dept of Agriculture), although "wilderness areas" can be managed by a number of groups within the federal government.
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> If you're using data from state governments, you will need to look at the licensing restrictions, because many states do not release their data into public domain. US Federal government datasets are mandated to be in the public domain, so there are no issues using them for OpenStreetMap.
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> Since this National Forest and Wildlife area are not units of the National Park System, you will not find them in the irma.nps.gov<http://irma.nps.gov> dataset. It looks like your best source of data for this will be the PDF that you linked: https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5403940.pdf -- Although it doesn't appear that the PDF is geo-enabled.
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> I was able to find the boundary in the dataset named "Administrative Forest Boundaries": https://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/edw/datasets.php?dsetCategory=boundaries
> That may be another good source.
> 
> I would also suggest overlaying the boundaries and making tweaks to the existing OSM boundary instead of importing the new boundary and deleting the old. That would allow existing points in the database to maintain their history.
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> I'm hoping someone from the general talk-us group can provide more input on this. Best of luck!
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> Jim McAndrew
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> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:39 AM Nicolas Duclos <dunic777 at hotmail.com<mailto:dunic777 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
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> I’m new in OSM Community and after a short trip on East Coast of North Carolina, I decided to help making NC more accurate than it is right now.
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> I’m currently trying to edit or remake the Croatan National Forest, but I’m not too sure how to achieve it by importing data. Currently for some reasons there is two Croatan National Forest at the same place and the shape is not really accurate compared to other maps out there.
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> Here is what I found :
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> http://data.nconemap.gov/geoportal/dataexplorer/index.jsp
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> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5403940.pdf
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> Not too sure about the proclamation area on the map and what’s the difference between national forest and wilderness.
> 
> I could also create trails and outdoor activities spot in OSM.
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> Data :
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> http://data.nconemap.gov/geoportal/catalog/main/home.page (type marea in search box)
> or
> https://irma.nps.gov/DataStore/Reference/Profile/2224545?lnv=True
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> Not too sure which data to take or how they works.
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> Thank you very much for your help.
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> Nic from Canada 😊
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