[Talk-us] Name tag on unnamed, but numbered routes

[Brian Stromberg]

Only the locals in Southern California. Northern Californians would be
quite upset to have "The 5" codified in OSM =)

--
Brian


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 5:47 PM Zeke Farwell <ezekielf at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sure loc_name="The 5" probably would be appropriate on route relation
> as that is what the locals call it 😉.  But that's beside the point.
> Vermont Route 15 (and many other Vermont state highways) is literally
> signed with that name on street name signs.  It's the real name, not just a
> colloquialism.
>
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>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 5:27 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:08 PM Zeke Farwell <ezekielf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:49 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Zeke Farwell <ezekielf at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:52 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure noname=yes with official_name=* set is automatically
>>>>>> a tagging error...that would be the *de facto* name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why a name like "Route XX" is perfectly valid when that's what
>>>>> people call it and how it's signed.  Two examples near me:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Vermont Route 15*
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Name:  Vermont Route 15
>>>>>    - Alt Names:  Route 15, VT Route 15
>>>>>    - Short Name: VT-15
>>>>>    - Official/Memorial Name: Grand Army of the Republic Highway
>>>>>    - Route Number: 15
>>>>>
>>>>> No one calls it Grand Army of the Republic Highway and signs with that
>>>>> name appear only rarely.  Addresses never use that name.  The de facto name
>>>>> where there is no local street name is Vermont Route 15.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Interstate 89*
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Name: Interstate 89
>>>>>    - Short Name: I-89
>>>>>    - Official/Memorial Name: Vietnam Veterans Memorial Highway
>>>>>    - Route Number: 89
>>>>>
>>>>> No one calls it Vietnam Veterans Memorial Highway and if there are any
>>>>> signs with that name I've never seen them (I've looked).  The de facto name
>>>>> is Interstate 89.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In both of these cases, the official name should be the name tag, and
>>>> not duplicating the ref tag or route relation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The common names are Vermont Route 15 and Interstate 89, so that's what
>>> makes most sense to have in the name tag.  Official names that barely exist
>>> in the real world belong in official_name or some other alternative name
>>> tag.
>>>
>>
>> By that same rationale then we should just strip the Golden State Freeway
>> name off I 5 and set it to name="The 5"
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