[OSM-talk] baby steps - nebie needs hand-holding - phase 2!

David Groom reviews at pacific-rim.net
Mon Apr 3 10:23:40 BST 2006

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Gimpert" <ben at somethingmodern.com>
To: "David Groom" <reviews at pacific-rim.net>
Cc: "Steve Coast" <steve at somethingmodern.com>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] baby steps - nebie needs hand-holding - phase 2!

> Hi David -- this is a very solid write up.  Will you put this somewhere
> on the wiki?

I will do, but I was waiting a few days to see if anyone was going to add or 
contradict what I had said in my posting to this list.

If no other replies to RoilyMo's initial posting are made I'll put my stuff 
on the Wiki, and if any one wants to amend it they can do it there.


> On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 12:09:42PM +0100, David Groom wrote:
>> Dave
>> I can't answer all your questions, but here are some thoughts on point 3.
>> The online editor applet has the advantage of the landsat photo under the
>> gpx trackpoints, which sometimes may assists in determining what you are
>> doing. Its also fairly easy obvious how to add names to a way, and how to
>> denote a way as either a motorway, primary road or secondary road.  (I
>> assume you have looked at Imi's video introduction to the applet which is
>> referenced on the Wiki editing page.  The main disadvantage from my point
>> of view on the online applet is its speed, it is rather slow if you are
>> editing large amounts of data.  If you feel like using this tool, you
>> convert the output from your GPS into a GPX file and then upload it via 
>> the
>> web site. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the Garmin GPS60 so  can't 
>> tell
>> you if it has software which will convert the tracks to GPS format, or
>> whether you'll need to use GPS Babel to do the conversion (if using GPS
>> Babel I'd recommend downloading and using the GUI front end to it) . 
>> Also
>> remember that anything you do in the Applet affects live data, but if you
>> are working on an area where no one else is working then I guess at 
>> present
>> this is not too important as long as you correct any mistakes.
>> JOSM handles things very nicely, but has no Landsat overlay.  It will
>> either read in GPX tracks from your hard disk, or if you have uploaded a
>> GPS track to OSM it can then download them from OSM.  If you are working 
>> on
>> an area which already has OSM data on it you can download the OSM data as
>> one layer, and have your GPS tracks from you hard drive as another layer,
>> which stops you working on exactly the same track as already exists in 
>> OSM.
>> Once you have drawn your line segments and made ways out of them you can
>> then upload then to OSM
>> If you have  access to a Linux machine you could try Osmedit.  The
>> disadvantage to this is that you have to compile the software from 
>> source,
>> so this may put some people off.  Osmedit can apparently read direct from 
>> a
>> Garmin GPS, but I've not tried it.  Alternatively it can download from 
>> OSM,
>> or read a local GPX file.  I personally don't yet find it as intuitive as
>> JOSM, but that's probably a matter of choice.  It does have some nice
>> features such as the ability to overlay height data as contour lines, and
>> also to grab a Landsat photo of the area, and display this under the 
>> tracks
>> you are working on.
>> Personally, at present, my choice would be to use JOSM
>> David
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "RolyMo" <rolymo at gmail.com>
>> To: <talk at openstreetmap.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:32 AM
>> Subject: [OSM-talk] baby steps - nebie needs hand-holding - phase 2!
>> Dear All,
>> Having read as much as possible on the wiki, various websites and
>> replies to my earlier email (thanks very much), I am starting to
>> formulate how I, as a OSM/GPS beginner, might try to help out with the
>> OSM project.
>> Again, I'd appreciate any thoughts.
>> 1 Buy GPS device.  I am looking at the Garmin GPS60 following Nick
>> Black's review in the wiki and further reading.  Is there a compelling
>> reason to buy more adanced versions in the range if all I want the
>> device for is OSM-related?
>> 2 Identify places to track.  Actually, I already started on this.  I
>> have 3 regions where I think I can add some help and have added them
>> to my user page in the wiki.  (I also added some minor details re
>> motorways in Northern Ireland on the UK community page - did I do it
>> right?)
>> If there are people involved in mapping The Hague, Cornwall or
>> Northern Ireland, it would be great to hear if there already exists
>> some plan to cover the regions - or I'm happy just to "go at it".
>> (Alex:amvv?  Anybody?)
>> 3 Convert outings to the OSM map.  This bit is still sketchy in my
>> mind.  The GPS60 has USB output and, in principal, should allow me to
>> get data off it quite easily, right?  (Says hopefully!)  At which
>> point, should I edit the data before uploading (JOSM?) or use the
>> online editor?  Maybe download existing OSM data for a given region
>> before merging with my tracks then use JOSM before uploading?  What is
>> the easiest thing to get into - and what would be the reasons for
>> using the other tools?
>> 4 Donate!  The only donation mechanism I've seen is the PayPal link on
>> the OpenGeoData site.  Should I regard that site to be a "parent" (for
>> want of a better word) to OSM and the postcode project?  Following
>> discussions in the talk list, is there now another preferred mechanism
>> to contribute funds?
>> Once again, thanks for any help.
>> Dave
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:RolyMo
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