[OSM-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 47 (out of office)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Way segment count (Simon Hewison)
   2. Re: Way segment count (Rapha?l Jacquot)
   3. #OSM IRC channel (Dean Earley)
   4. Re: #OSM IRC channel (Jim Ley)
   5. Re: #OSM IRC channel (Dean Earley)
   6. RE: #OSM IRC channel (Andy Robinson)
   7. Is the TIGER import doing it right? (Etienne)
   8. Re: Is the TIGER import doing it right? (nick at hogweed.org)
   9. Re: Is the TIGER import doing it right? (Ben Gimpert)
  10. Re: Is the TIGER import doing it right? (Nick Hill)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:10:16 +0100
From: Simon Hewison <simon at zymurgy.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Way segment count
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
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Dean Earley wrote:
>> This is only evident in JOSM after clearing and re downloading a map.
> 
> Further to this, the remaining segments are completely out of order.
> My understanding was that the order DOES matter, especially for
routing?
> 
Order matters a bit more when you're trying to fit text labels along a 
way, in which case, bits text of label your might wrong place appear in.

Routing algorithms shouldn't really refer to ways except for gathering 
values about segments, and when it comes to actually describing the 
route to the user, else they'd behave like Google's route planner, which

appears to attempt to find a 'fast' road, and stay on the same road at 
all costs, even if it means going 30% further/slower.

Routing algorithms should be more concerned with finding junctions and 
distances/times/restrictions between junctions, and traversing the graph

to find a suitable route, rather than following pre-determined routes.

-- 
Simon Hewison

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:31:42 +0200
From: Rapha?l Jacquot <sxpert at esitcom.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Way segment count
To: Dean Earley <dean at earlsoft.co.uk>
Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
Message-ID: <446DBAAE.1000906 at esitcom.org>
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Dean Earley wrote:
> Further to this, the remaining segments are completely out of order.
> My understanding was that the order DOES matter, especially for
routing?

the order itself can be discovered by ordering the segments using which
segment starts with the node of the previous segment.

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:10:02 +0100
From: Dean Earley <dean at earlsoft.co.uk>
Subject: [OSM-talk] #OSM IRC channel
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
Message-ID: <446E261A.2070609 at earlsoft.co.uk>
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Hi all.

I have just registered an OSM IRC channel for those who like a bit of 
live (even possibly lively) conversation.

You can find #OSM on Blitzed (irc.blitzed.org) with any IRC client or 
via Blitzed's web interface at http://cgiirc.blitzed.org/

See you soon...

-- 
Dean Earley, Dee (dean at earlsoft.co.uk)

irc:    irc://irc.blitzed.org/
web:    http://personal.earlsoft.co.uk
phone:  +44 (0)780 8369596

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:19 +0100
From: "Jim Ley" <jim at jibbering.com>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] #OSM IRC channel
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
Message-ID: <e4l90n$f8a$1 at sea.gmane.org>

"Dean Earley" <dean at earlsoft.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:446E261A.2070609 at earlsoft.co.uk...
> I have just registered an OSM IRC channel for those who like a bit of
live 
> (even possibly lively) conversation.
>
> You can find #OSM on Blitzed (irc.blitzed.org) with any IRC client or
via 
> Blitzed's web interface at http://cgiirc.blitzed.org/

Erm, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Contact

Many people idle on #geo on OFTC: irc://irc.oftc.net/#geo

And it has lots of OSM discussion, let's not split off...

Jim.

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:23:21 +0100
From: Dean Earley <dean at earlsoft.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] #OSM IRC channel
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
Message-ID: <446E2939.2040806 at earlsoft.co.uk>
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Jim Ley wrote:
> "Dean Earley" <dean at earlsoft.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:446E261A.2070609 at earlsoft.co.uk...
> 
>>I have just registered an OSM IRC channel for those who like a bit of
live 
>>(even possibly lively) conversation.
>>
>>You can find #OSM on Blitzed (irc.blitzed.org) with any IRC client or
via 
>>Blitzed's web interface at http://cgiirc.blitzed.org/
> 
> Erm, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Contact
> 
> Many people idle on #geo on OFTC: irc://irc.oftc.net/#geo
> 
> And it has lots of OSM discussion, let's not split off...

Oh yeah...

I even searched for irc and completely missed that :(

Oh well, I've dropped it again :)

-- 
Dean Earley, Dee (dean at earlsoft.co.uk)

irc:    irc://irc.blitzed.org/
web:    http://personal.earlsoft.co.uk
phone:  +44 (0)780 8369596

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 22:02:35 +0100
From: "Andy Robinson" <Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] #OSM IRC channel
To: <talk at openstreetmap.org>
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You will also find a separate OSM channel at irc://irc.oftc.net/osm
which
SteveC normally keeps open and occasionally you will find more of us
there.
It's the channel we have used for group discussion.

Cheers,

Andy

Andy Robinson
Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
>bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Jim Ley
>Sent: 19 May 2006 21:15
>To: talk at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] #OSM IRC channel
>
>
>"Dean Earley" <dean at earlsoft.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:446E261A.2070609 at earlsoft.co.uk...
>> I have just registered an OSM IRC channel for those who like a bit of
>live
>> (even possibly lively) conversation.
>>
>> You can find #OSM on Blitzed (irc.blitzed.org) with any IRC client or
via
>> Blitzed's web interface at http://cgiirc.blitzed.org/
>
>Erm, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Contact
>
>Many people idle on #geo on OFTC: irc://irc.oftc.net/#geo
>
>And it has lots of OSM discussion, let's not split off...
>
>Jim.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:02:07 +0100
From: Etienne <80n80n at gmail.com>
Subject: [OSM-talk] Is the TIGER import doing it right?
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
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	<8fcd02310605200102s2490210evb7183455d133bb38 at mail.gmail.com>
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It looks to me like the TIGER data is being imported with the values
for the name and highway tags transposed.

See
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit.html?lat=37.228344&lon=-121.816562&zoom=15
(somewhere in San Jose, CA)

name=residential
highway=Mahan Dr

http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit.html?lat=37.825172424316406&lon=-122.21189880371092&zoom=15
(somewhere in Oakland, CA)

name=motorway
highway=Warren Fwy

-- 
Etienne

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:13:54 +0100
From: nick at hogweed.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is the TIGER import doing it right?
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
Message-ID: <200605201013.54356.nick at hogweed.org>
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> It looks to me like the TIGER data is being imported with the values
> for the name and highway tags transposed.

Tried searching for one or two streets in San Francisco - again, the
street 
name is under the 'highway' tag. I guess it will be a simple matter of 
swapping them though.

Nick

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:10:41 +0100
From: Ben Gimpert <ben at somethingmodern.com>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is the TIGER import doing it right?
To: talk at openstreetmap.org
Message-ID: <20060520101041.GA22414 at somethingmodern.com>
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Woah, my bad.

I've saved a list of what parts TIGER street ID's have been done with:

1) no highway key/value, correct name (Alaska and part of Alabama)
2) swapped highway and name key/values
3) correct highway and name key/values (from this morning on)

Anyone volunteer to write a script for swapping the key/values of
category two?  Not sure when I'll be able to get to it.

		Ben

On Sat, 20 May 06 @10:13am, nick at hogweed.org wrote:
> 
> > It looks to me like the TIGER data is being imported with the values
> > for the name and highway tags transposed.
> 
> Tried searching for one or two streets in San Francisco - again, the
street 
> name is under the 'highway' tag. I guess it will be a simple matter of

> swapping them though.
> 
> Nick
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:59:13 +0100
From: Nick Hill <nick at nickhill.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is the TIGER import doing it right?
To: Ben Gimpert <ben at somethingmodern.com>
Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
Message-ID: <446EF681.4090800 at nickhill.co.uk>
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I suppose the most efficient way is create a table with a list of street

IDs, then run an update query on those.

Send me a list of IDs then i'll have a go.

Ben Gimpert wrote:
> Woah, my bad.
> 
> I've saved a list of what parts TIGER street ID's have been done with:
> 
> 1) no highway key/value, correct name (Alaska and part of Alabama)
> 2) swapped highway and name key/values
> 3) correct highway and name key/values (from this morning on)
> 
> Anyone volunteer to write a script for swapping the key/values of
> category two?  Not sure when I'll be able to get to it.
> 
> 		Ben
> 
> 
> On Sat, 20 May 06 @10:13am, nick at hogweed.org wrote:
> 
>>>It looks to me like the TIGER data is being imported with the values
>>>for the name and highway tags transposed.
>>
>>Tried searching for one or two streets in San Francisco - again, the
street 
>>name is under the 'highway' tag. I guess it will be a simple matter of

>>swapping them though.
>>
>>Nick
>>
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