[OSM-talk] Potlatch and the destruction of good work (N6 Ireland)
Ray Booysen
raybooysen at rjb.za.net
Wed Aug 8 21:11:42 BST 2007
I'm with you on this. This is something that needs to be addressed pretty
quickly. I have no idea on what we can do or go about it. What does the
rest of the list think?
On 8/8/07, Dermot McNally <dermotm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 25/07/2007, Dermot McNally <dermotm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This particular case centres around a section of the N6 road in the
> > Irish midlands. A while ago, I created and tagged most of this road,
> > in places using unwayed segments from other users or their GPS trails,
> > in places using my own trails. Today I discovered that somebody
> > unidentified has been using Potlatch to draw the road alignment of the
> > replacement N6 scheme that's still under construction and isn't at all
> > visible on the low-quality Yahoo images of that part of Ireland.
>
> Folks,
>
> Just when I really hoped I'd seen the back of this problem. Our friend
> the phantom mapper (or maybe there are a couple of well-meaning
> vandals in the midlands) has been back at work on what he ernestly
> believes to be the N6. This time he doesn't seem to have mucked around
> with any nodes (except, I think, to tie his fantasy road into the real
> one), but he has retagged the crude alignment representing today's
> building site as "trunk" again. Once again, he's managed to do this
> just in time for his dodgy edits to make the fresh Mapnik tiles, so
> that layer will once again be f*$@ed for another week. Once again he's
> done his work anonymously[1] and once again there's no clue on the
> Ireland mapping page or here of what he's about or why.
>
> Once again I'll pose the question: this isn't a philosophical point.
> The system knows who did this but won't tell ordinary members of the
> community. There are those among us who (seem to) think that the
> status quo is OK. Do those people think that, in addition to
> collecting new mapping info I should also have to stand guard over the
> bits that I've already done?
>
> Anybody with a hard enough neck to tag an unbuilt road twice as built
> needn't be shy about putting his name to his work. The more newbie
> mappers we entice to join the project (and I'm very much in favour of
> this), the more acute this problem will become.
>
> Accountable edits now!
>
> Dermot
>
> Here's the history of the way. Look out for the bit where "service"
> becomes "trunk':
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <osm version="0.4" generator="OpenStreetMap server">
> <way id="4955437" visible="true" timestamp="2007-07-24T20:15:09+01:00">
> <seg id="28929475"/>
> <seg id="28929476"/>
> <seg id="28929477"/>
> <seg id="28929478"/>
> <seg id="28929479"/>
> <seg id="28929480"/>
> <seg id="28929481"/>
>
> <seg id="28929482"/>
> <seg id="28929483"/>
> <seg id="28929484"/>
> <seg id="28929485"/>
> <seg id="28929486"/>
> <seg id="28929487"/>
> <seg id="28929488"/>
> <seg id="28929489"/>
> <seg id="28929490"/>
>
> <seg id="28929491"/>
> <seg id="28929492"/>
> <tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch alpha"/>
> </way>
> <way id="4955437" visible="true" timestamp="2007-07-24T20:15:33+01:00">
> <seg id="28929475"/>
> <seg id="28929476"/>
> <seg id="28929477"/>
> <seg id="28929478"/>
>
> <seg id="28929479"/>
> <seg id="28929480"/>
> <seg id="28929481"/>
> <seg id="28929482"/>
> <seg id="28929483"/>
> <seg id="28929484"/>
> <seg id="28929485"/>
> <seg id="28929486"/>
> <seg id="28929487"/>
>
> <seg id="28929488"/>
> <seg id="28929489"/>
> <seg id="28929490"/>
> <seg id="28929491"/>
> <seg id="28929492"/>
> <tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch alpha"/>
> <tag k="highway" v="primary"/>
> </way>
> <way id="4955437" visible="true"
> timestamp="2007-07-25T20:21:00+01:00" user="mackerski">
>
> <seg id="28929475"/>
> <seg id="28929476"/>
> <seg id="28929477"/>
> <seg id="28929478"/>
> <seg id="28929479"/>
> <seg id="28929480"/>
> <seg id="28929481"/>
> <seg id="28929482"/>
> <seg id="28929483"/>
>
> <seg id="28929484"/>
> <seg id="28929485"/>
> <seg id="28929486"/>
> <seg id="28929487"/>
> <seg id="28929488"/>
> <seg id="28929489"/>
> <seg id="28929490"/>
> <seg id="28929491"/>
> <seg id="28929492"/>
>
> <tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch alpha"/>
> <tag k="highway" v="service"/>
> <tag k="note" v="original mapper, please check mailing list for N6
> thread"/>
> </way>
> <way id="4955437" visible="true"
> timestamp="2007-08-05T17:07:43+01:00" user="mackerski">
> <seg id="29730358"/>
> <seg id="29730359"/>
> <seg id="28929482"/>
> <seg id="28929483"/>
>
> <seg id="28929484"/>
> <seg id="28929485"/>
> <seg id="28929486"/>
> <seg id="28929487"/>
> <seg id="28929488"/>
> <seg id="28929489"/>
> <seg id="28929490"/>
> <seg id="28929491"/>
> <seg id="28929492"/>
>
> <tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch alpha"/>
> <tag k="highway" v="service"/>
> <tag k="note" v="original mapper, please check mailing list for N6
> thread"/>
> </way>
> <way id="4955437" visible="true" timestamp="2007-08-07T14:12:01+01:00">
> <seg id="29730358"/>
> <seg id="29730359"/>
> <seg id="28929482"/>
> <seg id="28929483"/>
>
> <seg id="28929484"/>
> <seg id="28929485"/>
> <seg id="28929486"/>
> <seg id="28929487"/>
> <seg id="28929488"/>
> <seg id="28929489"/>
> <seg id="28929490"/>
> <seg id="28929491"/>
> <seg id="28929492"/>
>
> <tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch alpha"/>
> <tag k="highway" v="trunk"/>
> <tag k="note" v="original mapper, please check mailing list for N6
> thread"/>
> </way>
> <way id="4955437" visible="true"
> timestamp="2007-08-08T20:29:12+01:00" user="mackerski">
> <seg id="29730358"/>
> <seg id="29730359"/>
> <seg id="28929482"/>
> <seg id="28929483"/>
>
> <seg id="28929484"/>
> <seg id="28929485"/>
> <seg id="28929486"/>
> <seg id="28929487"/>
> <seg id="28929488"/>
> <seg id="28929489"/>
> <seg id="28929490"/>
> <seg id="28929491"/>
> <seg id="28929492"/>
>
> <tag k="created_by" v="Potlatch alpha"/>
> <tag k="highway" v="trunk"/>
> <tag k="note" v="original mapper, please check mailing list for N6
> thread"/>
> </way>
> </osm>
>
>
>
> [1] Yes, I know that the database knows who did it, but I don't. Would
> the DB perhaps be so kind as to get him to drop into the list and say
> hello?
>
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Ray Booysen
raybooysen at rjb.za.net
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